[losfer]

Posted elsewhere because i cannot upload pictures here.

http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67300007-What-Suzuki-Australia-are-trying-to-hide

share this on any suzuki forum you are on please to make any owners aware.

[sideways]

Holy shit, you are Suzuki Dave!!

This one is amusing too (diesels this time).

http://performanceforums.com/forums/sho ... diesel-101

[GVX2]

We have talked to Suzuki dealers here in Qld and they fail to acknowledge or admit there is a problem with this engine. not only that , we have seen this problem with engines not in the dates of production listed in the TSB.

What years - blocks and heads - are being spoken about in the TSB?

[atari4x4]

sideways wrote:

Holy shit, you are Suzuki Dave!!

you only just worked this out?

[droverdave]

Hmmm i was looking at upgrading the wifes car to one of the petrol ones maybe next year.

Well i guess that crosses it off the short list.

Sadly in the newish medium sized 4wd with low range category, it is basically the only thing on the short list.

The prices quoted in that diesel thread are outrageous.

[Pooke]

I think I am going to cry after reading this. I have a 2008 production, 2009 registered 2.4lt 3door.
I have had the cracked head and just spend 4.5k getting it replaced and all the other worthwhile things changed.

My question, do you think it likely to happen again, or the block cracking?

I really love my Zook and there is really no other vehicle avaliable that suits my needs. Need a 3door, petrol 4wd with low range, and Neutral in the transfer case, must weigh less than 1800kg.

[GVX2]

Pooke wrote:

I think I am going to cry after reading this.

I know that feeling really well Pooke. I have two Grand Vitaras. A 2012 Urban and a 2013 Sport.

[murcod]

Pooke wrote:

Need a 3door, petrol 4wd with low range, and Neutral in the transfer case, must weigh less than 1800kg.

No Jimny's came out with the neutral transfer case? (I've never looked at one, so don't know.)

[atari4x4]

murcod wrote:

Pooke wrote:

Need a 3door, petrol 4wd with low range, and Neutral in the transfer case, must weigh less than 1800kg.

No Jimny's came out with the neutral transfer case? (I've never looked at one, so don't know.)

pretty sure ALL suzuki 4wds have a neutral in the transfer case... even your xl7 :winK

[murcod]

atari4x4 wrote:

murcod wrote:

Pooke wrote:

Need a 3door, petrol 4wd with low range, and Neutral in the transfer case, must weigh less than 1800kg.

No Jimny's came out with the neutral transfer case? (I've never looked at one, so don't know.)

pretty sure ALL suzuki 4wds have a neutral in the transfer case... even your xl7 :winK

Yes, I'm well aware my XL-7 has a transfer case lever with a neutral position , but thanks for trying to enlighten me.

However, an XL-7 doesn't have three doors and would be pushing the 1800kg weight category.

A quick Google showed Jimny's (at least the later models) appear to have dash mounted push buttons for control of the 4WD system (much like some overseas GV models.) So perhaps neutral can't be selected in the transfer case for purposes like towing one behind a motorhome? I'm guessing that's what Pooke wants to do?

[alien]

Bit of a pain in the ass but its only a few bolts to disconnect the rear driveshaft at the pinion should you not have a neutral on the tcase?

[Pooke]

I live fulltime in a motorhome and a-frame on a regular basis, disconnecting the driveshaft is not really an option. The jimny's never came with neutral in the transfer case. The electronic one has no option for it nor does the lever. You can fit a sierra transfer case, but am not going to that effort and still be stuck with a 1.3

The electronic switch for the transfer on the GV has a N position designed for 'recreational towing' as is states in the owners manual.

I do 60000km a year approx so this has me worried about the long term reliability of the GV. I am attempting to find out from Suzuki NZ if the replacement head is of a revised design or if they have corrected the issue in some other manner. The thought that it may do it again just doesn't sit right with me.

I have the head here and have it all nice and clean so will post a pic up soon for reference.

[Pooke]

Link to high res http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b601/Sam_Whalley/20141028_181855_zps1a5419bd.jpg

Can see line running right from frost plug hole toward bolt hole.

[atari4x4]

Well there you go... Didn't realise that there wasn't a neutral position on a jimny, learn something new everyday.

[murcod]

They probably don't include it to prevent finger problems "My Suzuki is broken and I can't get it to move!"

[alien]

I wonder if someone is making a rear disconnect for Jimny yet?

ie: http://www2.izook.com/?page_id=230

[got_bar_work]

Full floating rear with fwh

[dougies_tx5turbo]

Pooke wrote:

I live fulltime in a motorhome and a-frame on a regular basis, disconnecting the driveshaft is not really an option. The jimny's never came with neutral in the transfer case. The electronic one has no option for it nor does the lever. You can fit a sierra transfer case, but am not going to that effort and still be stuck with a 1.3

The electronic switch for the transfer on the GV has a N position designed for 'recreational towing' as is states in the owners manual.

I do 60000km a year approx so this has me worried about the long term reliability of the GV. I am attempting to find out from Suzuki NZ if the replacement head is of a revised design or if they have corrected the issue in some other manner. The thought that it may do it again just doesn't sit right with me.

I have the head here and have it all nice and clean so will post a pic up soon for reference.

I looked at getting a new GV but quickly i strayed away from it because i heard they were having a lot of block and head problems.
Well you've got a few options. 1- Get a jimny and modify it. 2- Modify yours and put a 2L in it. 3- Sell it and buy an older model that came out in an M16 and if you want more power out of that put an M18 in it.

[Bobsan]

Does anyone know the percentage of failures in the 2.4 engine? I have a 2011 model with low Klm on it and tempted to sell it.

[Pooke]

I spoke to Suzuki NZ about the head, and block issues. They didn't really want to know, but indicated that the head issue is due to a fault in the casting that was corrected mid 2009. And the block issue was with the 2011+ models. I don't know how accurate this is but I think I will keep mine and see how it goes. Almost at 200,000kms and with the new head its running good.
If it happens again I think I will pull it out and stick in an H27 from a 5 door.
A Jimny is just too small, and not sure about AU but in NZ the M16 NGV is only AWD, no transfer case, so no Low and no Neutral.

[losfer]

ok just had a call from another workshop today looking for a J24B for a kizashi which shares the same engine as the grand vitara . 38000 kms and over heated with a cracked head .

Another thing that i have discovered is that ALL the auto parts stores list the thermostat for the J24B as a 89 degree thermostat where the factory lists it as an 82 degree . check the link in the OP for the new pic and info.

[losfer]

Pooke wrote:

I spoke to Suzuki NZ about the head, and block issues. They didn't really want to know, but indicated that the head issue is due to a fault in the casting that was corrected mid 2009. And the block issue was with the 2011+ models. I don't know how accurate this is but I think I will keep mine and see how it goes. Almost at 200,000kms and with the new head its running good.
If it happens again I think I will pull it out and stick in an H27 from a 5 door.
A Jimny is just too small, and not sure about AU but in NZ the M16 NGV is only AWD, no transfer case, so no Low and no Neutral.

Ok first of all ive seen this in all j24 not just in 1 production run . the most documented thread on this is actually on a russian site , other than this not much info is available , that is why i want to put this out there. The more people that read this and respond mean that maybe suzuki will come to the party and replace the engine .I know of so many cases where people have been out of pocket because suzuki dont recognise or acknowledge there is a problem.

[losfer]

sideways wrote:

Holy shit, you are Suzuki Dave!!

This one is amusing too (diesels this time).

http://performanceforums.com/forums/sho ... diesel-101

haha yeah actually seen that failure a couple of times now , the design of the compressor wheel shaft is to blame.

[losfer]

and yes , i am suzuki dave on PF , losfer here , suzimad on nbs , n0madic on redlinegti and a miriad of other names on other forums ...

[Marko_SJ]

Feel sorry for the people that bought them and got stung.

You know its bad when this is the case:

Quote:

The best vitara is the 3.2 its a holden engine and its bulletproof have never had a call for an engine....

lol.

[losfer]

i have a 3.2 with 6000 kms sitting on the shelf (smashed car) , never ever had a call for it. ive had calls for every single other suzuki engine but not ever 1 enquiry for the 3.2 .

while we are on it other problems in the 2005 onwards gv.

front diff .
glovebox latch.
centre console latch.
blower fan motor and blower fan resistor.

in the 1.9 ddis diesel ...

harmonic balancer failure
diesel particulate filter.
egr motor
primary pyrometer after the turbo
turbo , snapped shaft , also variable vane boost control failure
serpentine belt stripping finding its way into timing belt and causing camshaft and cam sprocket failure.

[Chop]

Hmm how much for the 3.2?

[losfer]

its got the full wiring loom and ecu still attached .. make a decent offer...

[Marko_SJ]

losfer wrote:

i have a 3.2 with 6000 kms sitting on the shelf (smashed car) , never ever had a call for it. ive had calls for every single other suzuki engine but not ever 1 enquiry for the 3.2 .

while we are on it other problems in the 2005 onwards gv.

front diff .
glovebox latch.
centre console latch.
blower fan motor and blower fan resistor.

in the 1.9 ddis diesel ...

harmonic balancer failure
diesel particulate filter.
egr motor
primary pyrometer after the turbo
turbo , snapped shaft , also variable vane boost control failure
serpentine belt stripping finding its way into timing belt and causing camshaft and cam sprocket failure.

Sorry, I was just getting on the Holden v6 bashing bandwagon.

[murcod]

losfer wrote:

in the 1.9 ddis diesel ...

harmonic balancer failure
diesel particulate filter.
egr motor
primary pyrometer after the turbo
turbo , snapped shaft , also variable vane boost control failure
serpentine belt stripping finding its way into timing belt and causing camshaft and cam sprocket failure.

Isn't that a Renault engine? The same thing happens on their F4R engines (2.0l petrol fitted in Renault Sport Clio's etc.) The "Auxillary" belt has a short life span (change interval) and if it isn't done on time it can shred itself. That debris ends up dislodging the timing belt and valves hit pistons etc.