[BertZook]

Baah forget what i said. I just recheck the protrack site and its 650€ plus donno shipping

Still, what of the two options would be better

[zukenutter]

It would easier swap for guys wanting to just get back to stock gearing if running 215-235. Bigger rubber would be better looking at transfer swaps.

[zukenutter]

I don't know about reliability etc though when it comes to lower r&p. Also of course a bit of work with axles and diffs

[swb_ddis]

Hello!!
Front differential is different between Jimny manual transfer and electronic transfer, one uses 8 bolts and the other 10 bolts.
I think that is more effective to work in the transfer. I bought a second hand transfer and worked in it. When you open it you can change all that you want. When I installed my Protrack plenatery you need to put out hi and low gears and the chain.
If you buy hi/low gears and planetary for low gear from Protrack at the same time they make a good price. I was thinking to buy they hi/low gears with -7% but finally a I decided to leave stock hi range.
The only problem with hi/low gears that the transfer chains suffers more, especially with -24% gears. And a new chain cost about 300 € (450 aus $), is more cheap to buy a second hand transfer.
I think work with R&P is more complicated and expensive.
For example in the future if i need to sold my Jimny I will change the tranfer for stock one and will sold the other for a lot of money

[Bugsta]

$450 is pretty good. I priced a new one from Zupps Suzuki here at over $700.

[swb_ddis]

One more thing, maybe Protrack, TrialJimny or others from Europe can sold you their products without VAT.
When I buy something from Europe I must to pay VAT yes or yes.

[swb_ddis]

Bugsta wrote:

$450 is pretty good. I priced a new one from Zupps Suzuki here at over $700.

700$ a new chain??

[Bugsta]

trialjimny Hi/Lo sets are about $1,000+/-

[swb_ddis]

Here these gears costs the same that Protrack ones, the price is right
They sold you with VAT incluided

[Bugsta]

Haven't bought any. Thats the prices quoted when I asked a little while back.

[swb_ddis]

Ok!!

[BertZook]

zukenutter wrote:

It would easier swap for guys wanting to just get back to stock gearing if running 215-235. Bigger rubber would be better looking at transfer swaps.

With the 215s im more than fine. Its when I go to either 235s or 30s. Depending on what would do best to be back at stock. Im still confused by how much % would I need and how to exactly get it for either of the two tyres. Seems to be more ppl with vvts and those are the ones doing or planing the changes so still unsure about for mark II jimnys.

The protracks seems like an awesome option as I wont need to source a sierra tcase in good nick(rare) plus other parts. Thing is what % would work better. And if the jimny case is up to the job, or the chain is too weak


Btw. What you guys mean when you say R&P?

[swb_ddis]

Comparative

205/70/15 - 215/75/15 = +5%

205/70/15 - 235/75/15 = +9.5%

205/70/15 - 30/9.5/15 = +11.5%

hi/low gears -7% for 215 o 235 and -15% for 235 o 30, depending of your highway type use

I think that is better idea to still your 215s and spend your money in a real low range with Protrack or Apio planetary. Now my Jimny crawls like a tank

R&P = ring and pinion

[Bugsta]

BertZook. Here is a table of what I believe is correct ratios for gearbox, transfer cases and diffs for all 3 Jimny versions.
I think MK1 has the same gearbox and transfer case ratios.

Attachment:

Jimny gearing.jpg

You can see that on the VVT models, Low is exactly 2 x High, whilst in the older models, Low is only 1.625 x High.
So you need to be careful when doing comparisons that you are talking about the correct gearset for your vehicle and what it is you want to achieve. And a percentage change of High and Low won't do as much for low in a MKI/II as it will in a MKIII.

As an example. 20% Hi/Lo...
MKI/II
High 1.32 > 1.584
Low 2.145 > 2.574

MKIII Manual
High 1.0 > 1.20
Low 2.0 > 2.40

MKIII Auto
High 1.27 > 1.524
Low 2.54 > 3.048

[swb_ddis]

Hi Bugsta!!, excuse me but I think that your table has a few mistakes
See this link:
www.bigjimny.com/images/documents/transferboxratios.pdf

Diff ratio for MKI/II with MT gearbox is 3.909
MKI and MKII have the same gearbox, but reverse gear is 3.466 not 3.166. Suzuki only change G13BB (MKI) engine for M13A non VVT (MKII)(same engine that early Suzuki Ignis versions)
And MKIII with electronic transfer and AT gearbox has a transfer with 1.32/2.643 ratios not 1.27/2.54

[zukenutter]

Mark II Jimny in our market has 4.09 diff ratio.
Mark III has 4.3.

Bert the best option is still a Sierra transfer, and for 235s with your diffs you'll be best to either use a 1L transfer or a 1.3L transfer with 4.16 gear set installed.

[Bugsta]

swb_ddis wrote:

Hi Bugsta!!, excuse me but I think that your table has a few mistakes
See this link:
http://www.bigjimny.com/images/document ... ratios.pdf

Diff ratio for MKI/II with MT gearbox is 3.909
MKI and MKII have the same gearbox, but reverse gear is 3.466 not 3.166. Suzuki only change G13BB (MKI) engine for M13A non VVT (MKII)(same engine that early Suzuki Ignis versions)
And MKIII with electronic transfer and AT gearbox has a transfer with 1.32/2.643 ratios not 1.27/2.54

Originaly, I did just list the sales brochure ratios you are stating.
We have had this conversation in other threads but no Jimny owner in Australia has ever seen a 3.9 diff. Also, after another auto Jimny auto case owner pointed out from external rotation tests, and I sunsequently pulled one apart and counted the teeth, we determined that the auto box was 1.27/3.54.

[Bugsta]

W00t. Just got a reply from Protrack regarding VVT manual gearing...

Hi Wayne,

For the VVT Jimny, we will have a complete solution by the end of the year.
Right now, I can only modify one of the factory chain gears (the other is new) to reduce the high and the low ratio by 7, 17 and 24%.

With the new gears being prepared will have again 3 options. 7, 17, or 24% for high-low and somewhere between 40 and 60% for low separately.
If you are interested in, we can keep your e-mail and let you know when we are ready.

Best regards,
Michael Theologitis

I might ask them how much to supply a 17% 24% now an do low when they have it.

[Bugsta]

I like the idea of the 17% Hi/Lo. This will bring the 32's exactly back to stock, and not be too much on highway for 29's.

[BertZook]

swb_ddis wrote:

Comparative

205/70/15 - 215/75/15 = +5%

205/70/15 - 235/75/15 = +9.5%

205/70/15 - 30/9.5/15 = +11.5%

hi/low gears -7% for 215 o 235 and -15% for 235 o 30, depending of your highway type use

I think that is better idea to still your 215s and spend your money in a real low range with Protrack or Apio planetary. Now my Jimny crawls like a tank

R&P = ring and pinion

well my future plans are changing now that I saw ur links.. my idea to change to a 235's or 30's is because I dont have much left on my 215's, and dont want to buy another set to stay there for another couple of years. I like the fact that now I could have a dedicated low range reduction, so my hi can be a bit off if I want as its now with the 215's.

Ideally I want to be back to stock, witch for a mark II jimny is 100km/h @ 4000rpms, I might be able to do 4200, but mroe than that is terrible, I do a lot of driving atm so I dont want to go over 4000, I cant stand it really

I know there are a lot of charts and stuff, but still not a 100% definitive answer to it yet... and most ppl who are calculating, planing, and building at the moment are vvts jimnys, witch nothing really applies to me, as differences in gearboxes, transfers, ect... plus the fact they do 3500rpms and they dnt mind to go up to 4000.... If I go to 4500-5000rpms Id go crazy ahhahah

zukenutter wrote:

Bert the best option is still a Sierra transfer, and for 235s with your diffs you'll be best to either use a 1L transfer or a 1.3L transfer with 4.16 gear set installed.

well I ve been keeping an eye open in the get rid of stuff for a just in case, and nothing... think I saw a couple of cases once but most are gone fast, wt 1.3 are pretty rare (plus how the condition would be), about the 1L, no idea, I havent really look into them as I though I needed just a 1.3wt... though a 1l would give a different reduction, wont fit, or something.

plus, 200-ish for a t-case, 400$ for 4.16 gears + shipping, 200euros for a ORA kit ( ... they came down in price or what) + shipping... lets say a rebuilt t-case kit and shafts.... not too bad actually, considering that Id have an extra % in low too

against 984€ of the protrack low gear (donno if thats the price for low or for a hi-low combo)


..mmmmmmm

[swb_ddis]

Excuse me if i have generated a confusion
Better for you a Jimny with 4.09 diff ratios

[swb_ddis]

Bugsta wrote:

W00t. Just got a reply from Protrack regarding VVT manual gearing...

3 options. 7, 17, or 24% for high-low and somewhere between 40 and 60% for low separately

Good news for Jimny with electronic transfer users

[swb_ddis]

BertZook I don´t understand you very well, Do you go for a 235s or prefer still with 215s?
If you put a SJ410 or 4.16 transfer from Sierra/Samurai the hi range is the same, and it is -20% than Jimny stock transfer. If you use a SJ410 your low range will be -18%.
I had the same doubts, put a 4.16 or SJ410 transfer or Apio/Protrack planetary in Jimny stock transfer case.
If you put a Sierra/Transfer you need a kit (ORA or other), a transfer in good conditions, 4.16 gears sets, new mounts and rear output flange-Front Prop shaft-Transmission Prop shaft from Samurai/Sierra.
Finally I decided to work in a Jimny stock transfer

[Bugsta]

Seems there is some interest for these gears. I might start a 'Community Buy' thread to see if we can get a better deal. Even if only to save on shipping.

[swb_ddis]

-17% and -24% Protrack gears sounds similar like -20% and -27% TrialJimny gears.
I know people with these TrialJimny gears and they have calculated that these gears reduce unless what they say, -20% TrialJimny gears is more close to -17%

[BertZook]

swb_ddis wrote:

BertZook I don´t understand you very well, Do you go for a 235s or prefer still with 215s?
If you put a SJ410 or 4.16 transfer from Sierra/Samurai the hi range is the same, and it is -20% than Jimny stock transfer. If you use a SJ410 your low range will be -18%.
I had the same doubts, put a 4.16 or SJ410 transfer or Apio/Protrack planetary in Jimny stock transfer case.
If you put a Sierra/Transfer you need a kit (ORA or other), a transfer in good conditions, 4.16 gears sets, new mounts and rear output flange-Front Prop shaft-Transmission Prop shaft from Samurai/Sierra.
Finally I decided to work in a Jimny stock transfer

well I have 215's at the moment, but I want to go up when my tyres are worn out (witch would be in a short time), so to decided if I go to 235's or 30's would depend more on the reduction I could get for them and how close would I end up to stock.

originally my plan was to go for the sierra t-case swap using the ORA kit, the only thing I was (and still kinda) unsure is how close would that put me into "stock" and if I need 4,16 gears.... not many ppl have done it to mark II jimnys that I know off, so cant tell about the rpms they end up

I saw your link and I love the idea, just again unsure of If I would need 7 or 15%

but now that I re-check the prices on both paths, I think the sierra t-case is still a cheaper option.... problem is to find one ahhaha


think we would need to start speaking in spanish to understand us better

[swb_ddis]

Bugsta wrote:

Seems there is some interest for these gears. I might start a 'Community Buy' thread to see if we can get a better deal. Even if only to save on shipping.

I saw it, I think that another interesting Protrack product is their rear air locker, it is cheap and it comes with air compressor incluided
http://www.protrack.gr/proionta/suzuki/ ... ocker.html

If someone have doubts about Protrack planetary kit, please ask me all you need

[swb_ddis]

BertZook If your spanish is better than my english for me no problem
I will practice australian english this november to seeing Parkway Drive in concert in Madrid
I have caught your idea, install Sj/Samurai transfer in Europe is very popular.
If you want use a SJ410 or 4.16 transfer with 235s and have a similar final ratio that stock ratio you need to put 5th gear in gearbox of Vit 1.6 16v

Hi range: -20% SJ410/4.16 transfer + 9.5% 235s +8% 5th Vit gear = -2.5%
But in this case I recomend you install 4.16 gears looking for a real low range

Other kits links to put SJ/Samurai transfer apart ORA:
- Protrack: http://www.protrack.gr/proionta/suzuki/ ... murai.html
- Zanfi from Italy (really expensive): http://www.zanfi.it/modules.php?name=ca ... ath=63_205
- And my favourite, ERM4x4 from France: http://www.erm4x4.fr/jimnytransfert.html

I still thinking that if you keep 215 size you don´t need to do nothing on hi range.
Remember that Protrack planetary kit comes with transfer iron mounts incluided, planetary is cheaper than it looks really.

[swb_ddis]

One more, you can do a easy test.
5th gear is +15% longer than 4th gear.
Use your Jimny on highway without use 5th gear and often new ideas.

[swb_ddis]

Some pics from Protrack planetary and transfer iron mounts
Is neccesary to reuse original satellites from stock planetary and install them in the new planetary