[JrZook]

For those with the KL-71's how many k's have you done so far and how well are they wearing?

I'm coming upto ~40k on my KM2 and they have been holding up really well. They have worn the square tread edges down but apart from that they still have a heap of meat on them and do look like easily exceeding 80k whilst still having a descent amount of tread left to still be very usable.

[ZookFan]

SierraDan wrote:

I'm glad im selling my 31's seeing as they're only AT's..

[ajsr]

[MUD-PIG]

The reason I got them on the Prado was a guy out where I am had them on his current model Hilux, he claimed to have done close to 60thou on them and while they were nearly end of life they still had a bit of tread and for a IFS 4WD had worn well IMO.

I'll admit I was turned off on price first up on the KM2's but a fellow 4WD friend who does remote servicing out to us in Arnhem Land was running the KM2's and he didn't get them past 40thou and he suffered some extreme damage to one on the dirt roads out where we are.

Im running them on two totally different vehicles at the moment so will get a good comparison of how they go at least.

[JrZook]

ajsr wrote:

I'm running kl71's on my work ute at the moment
wear is disapointing, they heal and toed very very badly
kl's grip on road is good, but so is km2's
they are noiser than the bfg's after a few kms
the bfg is better offroad
the kl71 price is great but the fast wear negates the cheap price
40,000 kms and 80-85% gone so basicly useless off road now

This is what I was trying to point out. Yes the KM2 are dam expensive but if they outperform a comparable tire in all aspects including longevity are they worth the $$? The KM2's are wearing flat across the whole tire which is a good sign that the should last a descent time longer. I guess your work ute is an unfair comparison to the same boots on a zuk unless you have had both sets of tires on it.

[MacDaddy]

Chop wrote:

Everyone knows it does'nt rain in perth so any feedback on "mud" tyre's from westerner's is well pointless!

Duratrac's macdaddy FTW just get out the cheque book!

Haha, yep we havnt had a decent rain for a loooooong time.....

So, the Wrangler Duratrac's are good hey, i definitely like the look of them... i can pay cash, but does that mean they are expensive ?
Will have to go get a price for them from Bob Jane...

MUD-PIG wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

hahaha alien ask Joe what he thinks of the KL-71's compared to the KM2's... pretty sure he will mention the words crap, shit, noisy & fuck

you are comparing a tyre that cost pretty much twice as much as the other though. Put the KM2 against a KL71 and there you have it role reversal.. KM2's get shit on. Not everyone wants to fork out just for a name and some white wall writing...

If you mean the KM2's, then i think they are way overpriced for what they are, and its BS...

[ajsr]

JrZook wrote:

ajsr wrote:

I'm running kl71's on my work ute at the moment
wear is disapointing, they heal and toed very very badly
kl's grip on road is good, but so is km2's
they are noiser than the bfg's after a few kms
the bfg is better offroad
the kl71 price is great but the fast wear negates the cheap price
40,000 kms and 80-85% gone so basicly useless off road now

This is what I was trying to point out. Yes the KM2 are dam expensive but if they outperform a comparable tire in all aspects including longevity are they worth the $$? The KM2's are wearing flat across the whole tire which is a good sign that the should last a descent time longer. I guess your work ute is an unfair comparison to the same boots on a zuk unless you have had both sets of tires on it.

[Chop]

MacDaddy wrote:

Chop wrote:

Everyone knows it does'nt rain in perth so any feedback on "mud" tyre's from westerner's is well pointless!

Duratrac's macdaddy FTW just get out the cheque book!

Haha, yep we havnt had a decent rain for a loooooong time.....

So, the Wrangler Duratrac's are good hey, i definitely like the look of them... i can pay cash, but does that mean they are expensive ?
Will have to go get a price for them from Bob Jane...

MUD-PIG wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

hahaha alien ask Joe what he thinks of the KL-71's compared to the KM2's... pretty sure he will mention the words crap, shit, noisy & fuck

you are comparing a tyre that cost pretty much twice as much as the other though. Put the KM2 against a KL71 and there you have it role reversal.. KM2's get shit on. Not everyone wants to fork out just for a name and some white wall writing...

If you mean the KM2's, then i think they are way overpriced for what they are, and its BS...

You'll think the Duratrac's are expensive if you think the KM2's are
Not sure bob jane do them, beaurepaires was where i got mine.

[alien]

my KM2 and KL71 have both seen the same milage, and to be honest the KM2 appear to have worn more... i would have picked it as the other way around being the KL71 appear to have a softer compound (and they do grip better on the road and on rocks) - but its dead even. This said, i drive my sierra only 30km a day, but drive it likes its stolen... i don't put massive highway kilometres on it, just lots of acceleration, braking and cornering. Neither tyre is feathering or wearing unevenly, just the KM2 are down to their first wear indicator, which is about 3mm down, and the KL71 on their first indicator which is about 2mm down. All up i'd guess they have about 10,000km each.

If someone asked me to choose between KM2 and KL71, the only clincher would be the strength of the bead in my opinion... my KL71 can run far lower pressures than my KM2... the KL71 i've run at 8psi time and time again without issue, but if the KM2 go below 9psi they pull the bead and let all the bloody air out. Very annoying. Its happened 4 times so far. The KM2 are ever so slightly better in mud, and the KL71 are slightly better on rocks... so its a case of choosing what you drive IMO.

I'd also note that what Atari was saying about noise... the KL71 are far more quiet than the KM2... doing a swap from one to the other its VERY noticable that the KM2 howl like crazy by comparison. Still, nothing like my simex ETs did! haha that was like a helicopter landing.

[JrZook]

alien wrote:

but if the KM2 go below 9psi they pull the bead and let all the bloody air out. Very annoying. Its happened 4 times so far.

What's the go with that? My 30x9.5's on 15x7 regularly see 5-8psi on rocky high traction surfaces that really test the sidewalls to sloppy clay crap in FNQ and no issues what so ever. And yes my car actually gets driven . Only bead pop ive had is when my mate dropped the pressure down to 2psi and I hit a ban right at the end of a 14hr wheeling trip

[atari4x4]

but remember alien you're not running them on identical rims, eg are the barrel profiles exactly the same?

pretty sure Joe was bagging the cum-hoe's

[alien]

true, the rims are different... the custom rims which the KM2 are on are ROH bands, the KL71 are on my procomp rims. I don't have pics of both with the tyres off to compare unfortunately. Something i forgot to add to the previous post - my KM2 have a lot more cuts and 'slits' in them than my KL71 do - not sure if thats because when they don't grip as much on rock they spin and get cut up, or if its the compound, or if its even just the tread design... the KL71 have chipped more on the edges though.

[SierraDan]

Yeah well Hankooks RULE!

[JrZook]

SO they rule that much you are getting them in 35s hey.....

[SierraDan]

That's the plan!

[BlueSuzy]

ajsr wrote:

and point proven

I was only joking

el cheapo Nankangs ruled. Worked well and wore well.

Now i have KM2's. Meant to be the 'perfect' tyre..They were perfect for me as they were cheap at the time

[Scales]

Guys, I got a dillema.
Im running the Km2's at the moment, and happy with them but i neglected to order a 5th sparey when i bought them from tirerack. My current spare is a 205 on an alloy rim (the rest are sunnys). so i wanna match up obviously now.

now to order a single tyre from tirerack is not economical i discovered, so im either forced into paying 290 for a singley locally or 235 for a KL71 for a spare tyre.

Do you rekon i should just fork the extra to have a matching set of 5 KM2s? Or would i be alright being a cheap skate and just have the KL71 on the back? Btw im getting another sunny to suit.

[alien]

how many k's are on the KM2... the only reason you'd have the 5th the same is for rotation to spread the wear across 5 tyres rather than 4. Otherwise just get the cheapest tyre you can in a matching size. Reason i say that is because i've never ever needed a spare... so the tread pattern and a slight size difference wouldnt matter (size difference being that each brand is different even if they say theyre the same size).

[Scales]

Yeah just thought about that Alien, not many kms on them at all. so i just bit the bullet and ordered another KM2. I was talking to my brother about them and he mentioned he went a different brand spare and now has a 10yr old spare with the nipples still on it... so yeah would like to avoid that.
290 + 75 for the rim
what a load of horse shit. oh well, at least ill get them in a rotation and get more kms out of em.

Lesson learnt: Tirerack is AWESOME, but order 5!!!!

[alien]

a good idea will be to number your rims - somewhere it wont rub off, and keep a little notebook or something on the rotations so you know where each tyre has been. Its very easy to forget which one is which =) Whenever i take off one set and put another on (i run 2 sets of tyres) i mark them with where they came off the car, so when i put them back on they get rotated.

[Scales]

good idea, cheers for the suggestion

[BlueSuzy]

yeah i bought 4 tyres under1k

then 4 rims under 1k

then 1 tyre and 1 rim and they were abit dear, but i needed them

[zooky08]

So I was smart and bought 5 the first time. Now I was dumb to buy 4 km2s this time. Now I have to track down a another 30"

[GRPABT1]

I'll never run a different spare again. Did that with my pedes and the one time I did have to bolt on the spare (an old KM1 pattern BFG) it was at the end of a very long difficult rainforest track with many creek crossings (which were starting to rise in level) and muddy gullies. I ended up having to winch up most of the muddy gullies as the spare with less grip kept causing me to pull to one side and would aim me into a tree when under power trying to climb up them. This turned the return leg (with leaking beads on the pedes, stupid 8" rims) into an epic race to get out before the creeks filled up and it became unpassable, we only just made it.

With my swampers I bought 5 exactly same, that one experience was enough for me.

[sideways]

My KM2s seem nice, I have nothing to compare them to Sierra wise though (this is the first zook I've been in that didn't have H/Ts ).

They only make noise between 60-70, they grip the road (I have only driven them on wet roads) far better than I'l ever need them to and they were also the cheapest option for me.

Macbear, looked at the Maxxis 753s?

[ZookFan]

GRPABT1 wrote:

I'll never run a different spare again. Did that with my pedes and the one time I did have to bolt on the spare (an old KM1 pattern BFG) it was at the end of a very long difficult rainforest track with many creek crossings (which were starting to rise in level) and muddy gullies. I ended up having to winch up most of the muddy gullies as the spare with less grip kept causing me to pull to one side and would aim me into a tree when under power trying to climb up them. This turned the return leg (with leaking beads on the pedes, stupid 8" rims) into an epic race to get out before the creeks filled up and it became unpassable, we only just made it.

With my swampers I bought 5 exactly same, that one experience was enough for me.

I bet it was mate after that trip

[JrZook]

GRPABT1 wrote:

I'll never run a different spare again. Did that with my pedes and the one time I did have to bolt on the spare (an old KM1 pattern BFG) it was at the end of a very long difficult rainforest track with many creek crossings (which were starting to rise in level) and muddy gullies. I ended up having to winch up most of the muddy gullies as the spare with less grip kept causing me to pull to one side and would aim me into a tree when under power trying to climb up them. This turned the return leg (with leaking beads on the pedes, stupid 8" rims) into an epic race to get out before the creeks filled up and it became unpassable, we only just made it.

With my swampers I bought 5 exactly same, that one experience was enough for me.

You were rear locked yea?

[MacDaddy]

sideways wrote:

Macbear, looked at the Maxxis 753s?

Its not MacBear, its Mac Daddy, it got changed a while back, when a few were calling me that... haha...

Yeah i did look at the 753, i was going to get them, but the 245/75 was to wide, and would scrape in some places, and put my speedo way out, and sap power, and the 235/85 was to big in diameter, would scrape everywhere, an the next size down, is a 215/85, it would fit, but have a small foot print...
http://www.maxxis.com/AutomobileLight-T ... eries.aspx
I like Maxxis tyres, but findng one in a mild MT, to fit the GV, is a real pain, i have the 771's on now, in a 225/70/16, they go great, and handle everything i have thrown at them, and show bugger all signs of wear... but yeah, tried to find something in a 235/75/16, but it appears an odd size for tyre manufacturers, and the ones that do, i didnt like... so a 225/75/16, is the best size to fit on the GV, and the two best tyres i found in that size, that suited my needs, was the Cooper S/T Maxx AT, a 50/50 tyre, which had very mixed reviews, and the Wrangler Duratrac, a 70/30 MT, which had good reviews, and i really liked the look of the tread pattern...
http://wb2.goodyear.com.au/centric/4wd_ ... ratrac.jsp
Anyway, there is no rush, as i just spent $1600 today getting some more mods done to the GV, hehe, so will have to save up again to get them... hehe...

[GRPABT1]

JrZook wrote:

GRPABT1 wrote:

I'll never run a different spare again. Did that with my pedes and the one time I did have to bolt on the spare (an old KM1 pattern BFG) it was at the end of a very long difficult rainforest track with many creek crossings (which were starting to rise in level) and muddy gullies. I ended up having to winch up most of the muddy gullies as the spare with less grip kept causing me to pull to one side and would aim me into a tree when under power trying to climb up them. This turned the return leg (with leaking beads on the pedes, stupid 8" rims) into an epic race to get out before the creeks filled up and it became unpassable, we only just made it.

With my swampers I bought 5 exactly same, that one experience was enough for me.

You were rear locked yea?

Yeah. Can't remember if I was front locked at that time though, don't think so. We had the spare on the front if I recall correctly.

[matty_wall]

Qucik simple tyre question.
I'm looking at buying some tyres that are currently fitted to Some split rims so they are tubed (235 85 16 good year MTs). Can I run these on my GV rims tubeless? I only ask this as I was ringing around for quotes and good year asked me if I was running tubes or not. I'm a little confused now about the tubes or no tubes.

Matt