[TheBigDog]

hi, bit of a beginner in terms of driving my jimny on sand, used to driving turbo diesels through the soft stuff. Am i better off using low or high range? Any suggestions? Gear? Momentum? PSI?...

Cheers

[Fatzook]

How long is a piece of string?......

Drive it the same way as you did the diesel, but 3000 rpm higher in the rev range

[squibby]

I did some sand at the weekend. I played around with 2wd, and then 4high and 4low. I NEEDED 4low. But admittedly i was straining the vehicle by not letting the tyres down, it was justa short easy sand track. But 4low made a massive difference over 4high. and with 2only I stopped dead after about 10m!

[TheBigDog]

Fatzook wrote:

How long is a piece of string?......

Drive it the same way as you did the diesel, but 3000 rpm higher in the rev range

yeh jus seem 2 be losing way 2 much momentum due to the lack of power in high range. talking really really soft stuff that i wouldnt try in a bigger heavier car. Is it a bad idea using low range for that? very little experience using low

[TheBigDog]

squibby wrote:

I did some sand at the weekend. I played around with 2wd, and then 4high and 4low. I NEEDED 4low. But admittedly i was straining the vehicle by not letting the tyres down, it was justa short easy sand track. But 4low made a massive difference over 4high. and with 2only I stopped dead after about 10m!

thanks, haha yeh, tried 2wd with 42psi (was not happy the tyre shop put that much pressure in) stopped dead

[zooky08]

TheBigDog wrote:

squibby wrote:

I did some sand at the weekend. I played around with 2wd, and then 4high and 4low. I NEEDED 4low. But admittedly i was straining the vehicle by not letting the tyres down, it was justa short easy sand track. But 4low made a massive difference over 4high. and with 2only I stopped dead after about 10m!

thanks, haha yeh, tried 2wd with 42psi (was not happy the tyre shop put that much pressure in) stopped dead

[zuk_244]

Ive got 2 mates that work at a tire shop, they arent the brightest around. When putting a tire on they just belt it full of air untill the bead pops on nice, so really you could end up with a different pressure in each corner of the car!

[squibby]

I'm using 26psi in the front and 24psi in the rear on my zook for daily driving. The weird thing is, the recommended figures are higher then this and actually LOWER for the front then in the rear? weird, I though the front was heavier so I ignore the recommended figures, can someone correct me?

[Fatzook]

In really soft sand it will be different for every vehicle.

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

Just pretend its real gooey mud. You want to move through it with some momentum so you don't sink. But at the same time you should drive to the conditions. So if there are deep ruts in the sand from wider vehicles, you will bounce from side to side. This can get a little hairy at speed.

[monley]

The best bit of advice I can offer is, don't do jumps

[squibby]

Fatzook wrote:

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

sweet. Sorry to hijack someone's thread, but on the same subject, how do you get out of the ruts on a sand track? is there a trick to getting out of them, steering just ignores me the way I'm doing it.

[TheBigDog]

thanks for the advice low second in the super soft stuff seems like the way 2 go

[Fatzook]

squibby wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

sweet. Sorry to hijack someone's thread, but on the same subject, how do you get out of the ruts on a sand track? is there a trick to getting out of them, steering just ignores me the way I'm doing it.

Nope. You're just along for the ride Hopefully you have enough ground clearance and momentum to keep going without diffing out.

[Fatzook]

TheBigDog wrote:

thanks for the advice low second in the super soft stuff seems like the way 2 go

We took a 2008 jimny to fraser 2 years ago, and it was seriously lacking in power. So it just had its arse cained all weekend to keep up with the sierras. Still got the job done though.

[Santos]

squibby wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

sweet. Sorry to hijack someone's thread, but on the same subject, how do you get out of the ruts on a sand track? is there a trick to getting out of them, steering just ignores me the way I'm doing it.

Personally i just pick one rut then try to line myself so i am as closest to the outside track edge and have the other tyre carving a new rut on the inside. Seems to be a lot better than straddling both ruts

[Birdman1985]

I drive stockton regularly, i use 26 onroad and 12PSI on the sand.

4H should be plenty throughout stockton, if you need to go into low your not reving it enough

[Benz]

i drop to 10psi straight away on the sand. i have 215's on the standard steel rims.
i can drive it as hard as i want in the sand and have never popped a bead.

you need to keep the revs up for the soft stuff and dunes. say 3-4 grand.
I use hi-range most of the time. only time i use low is for dune climbing and descents or for tricky stuff where low speed is needed.

I dont think reving it that much is flogging the car as the little jimny's do 4000 revs at 110k's an hour anyway and they will do that all day long...

give your car a good hose down when you get home too =]

[SSSIERA]

squibby wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

sweet. Sorry to hijack someone's thread, but on the same subject, how do you get out of the ruts on a sand track? is there a trick to getting out of them, steering just ignores me the way I'm doing it.

i know people are gona hang shit on this, i origionaly found it when riding quads with a passenger, but i found it works in cars to.

build ur revs up
turn into the side of the rut you want to exit on
drop the throttle.
lightly stab the front breaks, full lock on the wheel
off the breaks and stomp the throttle (and hold it)!
realy quickly

the idear is that while ur driving along the weight transfers to the back wheels, when u stab the breaks it quickly moves to the front, and the front end digs down, u then drop the breaks, re-apply the throttle witch transfers the weight to the back again this in turn lifts the front, while stabbing the breaks the front has dug downabit and made itself a groove to lock into.

its kinda like a scandanavian flick, but up and down rather than left and right!

[Fatzook]

SSSIERA wrote:

squibby wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

sweet. Sorry to hijack someone's thread, but on the same subject, how do you get out of the ruts on a sand track? is there a trick to getting out of them, steering just ignores me the way I'm doing it.

i know people are gona hang shit on this, i origionaly found it when riding quads with a passenger, but i found it works in cars to.

build ur revs up
turn into the side of the rut you want to exit on
drop the throttle.
lightly stab the front breaks, full lock on the wheel
off the breaks and stomp the throttle (and hold it)!
realy quickly

the idear is that while ur driving along the weight transfers to the back wheels, when u stab the breaks it quickly moves to the front, and the front end digs down, u then drop the breaks, re-apply the throttle witch transfers the weight to the back again this in turn lifts the front, while stabbing the breaks the front has dug downabit and made itself a groove to lock into.

its kinda like a scandanavian flick, but up and down rather than left and right!

Sounds like a great way to roll your car to me.

Don't ever come to fraser. We've got enough fucktards rolling their 4bys already up here and drawing the attention of greenies and cops.

[atari4x4]

^^ w0w, was that your first decent post in ages.

i do a similar thing when changing directions, eg coming off a beach run with ruts & into an exit up in the dunes... no brakes as you loose momentum, but loading up the rut & buttoning off & then dialing on lock & getting back on the gas hard works for me everytime....

if the beach is really rutted out & you cant get it to climb the ruts or the beach has a fair slope on it. you can get out & where you want to exit, stamp the sand with you feet compacting the sand to make a little "exit" rut crossing the existing ruts works a treat, use that bridging rut as a berm & away you go.

[SSSIERA]

Fatzook wrote:

SSSIERA wrote:

squibby wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

But start with running about 16-14psi in your tyres, and if you can't do it in high first, go back to low second.

sweet. Sorry to hijack someone's thread, but on the same subject, how do you get out of the ruts on a sand track? is there a trick to getting out of them, steering just ignores me the way I'm doing it.

i know people are gona hang shit on this, i origionaly found it when riding quads with a passenger, but i found it works in cars to.

build ur revs up
turn into the side of the rut you want to exit on
drop the throttle.
lightly stab the front breaks, full lock on the wheel
off the breaks and stomp the throttle (and hold it)!
realy quickly

the idear is that while ur driving along the weight transfers to the back wheels, when u stab the breaks it quickly moves to the front, and the front end digs down, u then drop the breaks, re-apply the throttle witch transfers the weight to the back again this in turn lifts the front, while stabbing the breaks the front has dug downabit and made itself a groove to lock into.

its kinda like a scandanavian flick, but up and down rather than left and right!

Sounds like a great way to roll your car to me.

Don't ever come to fraser. We've got enough fucktards rolling their 4bys already up here and drawing the attention of greenies and cops.

[monley]

I air down to 7psi on 235 muds, i have not rolled a tyre of the bead yet (on sand ) yet. When i get stuck in a sand rut, i will generally, drop a gear, to loose some speed, and just turn out of it , it works on our beachs over here, not sure how different your beachs are or what size ruts you are talking about.

I normally use, 4h for the flat stuff and 4L for dunes, i would use 4h more, but the gearing is messed up and doesn't have the grunt for 4H in the dunes...yet

SSSIERA: I second what fatzook said, great way to get your roll, on , i know cus, i have come close a few times, from doing similar to what you said.

[SSSIERA]

atari4x4 wrote:

^^ w0w, was that your first decent post in ages.

i do a similar thing when changing directions, eg coming off a beach run with ruts & into an exit up in the dunes... no brakes as you loose momentum, but loading up the rut & buttoning off & then dialing on lock & getting back on the gas hard works for me everytime....

if the beach is really rutted out & you cant get it to climb the ruts or the beach has a fair slope on it. you can get out & where you want to exit, stamp the sand with you feet compacting the sand to make a little "exit" rut crossing the existing ruts works a treat, use that bridging rut as a berm & away you go.

the breaks are more for the quad!. basicaly makes the passenger lean forwards then back so u can pop a wheely.

ive only done it in my zook once! so havent realy perfected it yet!

[SSSIERA]

monkey wrote:

I air down to 7psi on 235 muds, i have not rolled a tyre of the bead yet (on sand ) yet. When i get stuck in a sand rut, i will generally, drop a gear, to loose some speed, and just turn out of it , it works on our beachs over here, not sure how different your beachs are or what size ruts you are talking about.

I normally use, 4h for the flat stuff and 4L for dunes, i would use 4h more, but the gearing is messed up and doesn't have the grunt for 4H in the dunes...yet

SSSIERA: I second what fatzook said, great way to get your roll, on , i know cus, i have come close a few times, from doing similar to what you said.

i supose i will figure this out when my car isnt competeing for height with a nissan skyline!