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krunchi
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:46 am Posts: 108 Location: Brisbane
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Hi guys can you buy or make spring retainers for the rear of a jimny.
On full articulation my springs are loose, i plan to fit the relocation brackets to get more down travel but then the spring really will fall out. I still have enough up travel left int he shock and bump stop when the other rear wheel is at full drop.
Set up is Pro Comp ES100 shocks and tought dog 60mm springs, i have all the other stuff, bushes, adjustable panhards and extended lines.
Cheers
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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krunchi wrote: Hi guys can you buy or make spring retainers for the rear of a jimny. On full articulation my springs are loose, i plan to fit the relocation brackets to get more down travel but then the spring really will fall out. I still have enough up travel left int he shock and bump stop when the other rear wheel is at full drop.
Set up is Pro Comp ES100 shocks and tought dog 60mm springs, i have all the other stuff, bushes, adjustable panhards and extended lines.
Cheers
Zip ties
I have the same issue.
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ZookiMonsta
Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1625 Location: Jimboomba
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Just make something, steel plate.. 70mm x 50mm bolted to the coil seat on the diff with one end overlapping one coil ring. Have done this on all four corners, have been airborne many times for quite a while in some cases and the coils haven't even moved!
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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monkey wrote: krunchi wrote: Hi guys can you buy or make spring retainers for the rear of a jimny. On full articulation my springs are loose, i plan to fit the relocation brackets to get more down travel but then the spring really will fall out. I still have enough up travel left int he shock and bump stop when the other rear wheel is at full drop.
Set up is Pro Comp ES100 shocks and tought dog 60mm springs, i have all the other stuff, bushes, adjustable panhards and extended lines.
Cheers Zip ties  I have the same issue.
Funny  I guess they worked for you.
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smiffkid

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Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:55 pm Posts: 3266 Location: perth wa
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ive seen some 1 try to weld the coil to the coil tower, as we know its a mission to weld spring steel
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krunchi
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:46 am Posts: 108 Location: Brisbane
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lmao weld the spring.
I am liking Zip Ties for cheap simplicity and ZookiMonstas method sounds reliable.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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Loose springs at full droop means very little down pressure on the wheel/tyre.
Imho that is not useful travel, as tyre can flop about.
So loss of control/traction is more an issue.
At full droop, springs should still be a bit compressed.
So spring spacers could be wise?
I'm not an engineer, thats just my understanding.
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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Wheeled mine for a couple of years like this, worked fine and while I agree that at extension some remaining spring tension is preferred, it's not all bad to have a loose spring. Spring spacers will fix the problem in most cases but will also raise the height and restrict compression by that amount, assuming your bump stops don't make contact first.
Just ensure it's held in place guys.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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If it is already loose, when shock relocation brackets are added, will be a bit too much looseness.
I agree spacers cause a loss up travel,
but if you relocate bottom of shock to gain 40mm (arbitrary guess),
then adding 40mm spacers keeps travel all nice.
But yes you gain height as well.
Everything is a balance and/or compromise.
Just my opinion, if already have loose spring at droop,
adding more droop could be detrimental
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
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christover1 wrote: If it is already loose, when shock relocation brackets are added, will be a bit too much looseness. I agree spacers cause a loss up travel, but if you relocate bottom of shock to gain 40mm (arbitrary guess), then adding 40mm spacers keeps travel all nice. But yes you gain height as well. Everything is a balance and/or compromise.
Just my opinion, if already have loose spring at droop, adding more droop could be detrimental
yeah, all cool and totally agree.
Have had a rethink and you're right, just put some limiting straps on. When I had mine dangling it was because there weren't any mod parts available for Jimnys so it was a compromise through necessity in a hunt for a bit more articulation.
The coils I'm running at the moment are long, and soft at each end which is great for retaining some spring compression while not raising the Jim as much as that long a spring normally would. Unfortunately soft springs wallow during cornering.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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My Vit wallows a bit, but I am used to it.
Have no desire to go fast these days anyway.
Until I went from 25mm to 50mm spacers,
my springs unseated at droop,
but the bumpstop extension stopped them falling out.
Drove it like that for a while.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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I carn't even get onto my bemp stop, the springs compresses so much until it's all coiled up 
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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monkey wrote: I carn't even get onto my bemp stop, the springs compresses so much until it's all coiled up 
Bumpstop spacers could be wise,
saves coil wear and shocks to chassis,
which could be a bad thing over time?
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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I couldn't give a f*&^ if my coil were stuffed by tomorrow then i would have a reason to go with custom coils 
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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monkey wrote: I couldn't give a f*&^ if my coil were stuffed by tomorrow then i would have a reason to go with custom coils 
I like Ya thinking 
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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Also the jimny stock front springs are suppose to lift the rear 3"s which i will try soon, nice soft factory coil rate 
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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monkey wrote: Also the jimny stock front springs are suppose to lift the rear 3"s which i will try soon, nice soft factory coil rate 
very cool
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paulnb57
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:12 am Posts: 2 Location: Isle of Wight UK
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Ive seen Jubilee clips used on Land Rovers...........
Paul
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atari4x4

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paulnb57 wrote: Ive seen Jubilee clips used on Land Rovers...........
Paul
Jubilee Clips lol, the youngsters won't know what they are. 
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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atari4x4 wrote: paulnb57 wrote: Ive seen Jubilee clips used on Land Rovers...........
Paul Jubilee Clips lol, the youngsters won't know what they are. 

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you have aroused my curiosity 
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atari4x4

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monley

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