[garrfish]

G'day folks,
I have recently aquired a used diesel gv (2009 5dr) from Qld which i love, have had the '98 2.5 V6 which has served very well but is now long in the tooth especially with the life it has had since i've owned it.
However the new GV came with 20" rims on it that i want to get rid of ASAP and put 16" with bridgestone D694's (have already blown $400 on a tyre driving down a mild gravel road).
I am looking at CSA Edge rims and the 225/70/16 in the tyres the rims are 16x7, 5x114.3 stud and offset is 36.
Does anyone know if there would be a prob with this, any glaring irregularities?
Thanks in advance fellas,
Cheers

[Fatzook]

The GV's are hard to get steel rims for. The brake calipers are really chunky, and most of the 16's I have seen test fitted have hit the calipers.

My advise would be to find a tyre shop that is willing to get one in for you to bolt on to see if it clears BEFORE ordering the other 4 rims and all the tyres.

[tombutt]

being a new gv may be differnt pete arnt they the same stud patternt and a ford falcon?

[nissvit]

The 2nd gen GV's use the same stud pattern as falcons, ravs, etc.

I think the diesel GV still uses the same brake set-up as the early 2gen GV's ie they have drum brake rear end.??? if that is the case the first of the 2 gen GV's ran 16's straight from the factory so if the CSA rims are a direct replacement for a 2005/2006 GV 16" rim they should just bolt on.

Our GV (a 2006 V6) has 17" alloys from factory (which I have put 694's on), but the spare is a steel 16".

[garrfish]

Thank you for replying folks..

tombutt wrote:

being a new gv may be differnt pete arnt they the same stud patternt and a ford falcon?

Yeah from what i can gather ford falcon does use the 5x114.3 stud pattern, mazda and others also

nissvit wrote:

The 2nd gen GV's use the same stud pattern as falcons, ravs, etc.

I think the diesel GV still uses the same brake set-up as the early 2gen GV's ie they have drum brake rear end.??? if that is the case the first of the 2 gen GV's ran 16's straight from the factory so if the CSA rims are a direct replacement for a 2005/2006 GV 16" rim they should just bolt on.

Our GV (a 2006 V6) has 17" alloys from factory (which I have put 694's on), but the spare is a steel 16".

No the Diesel GV has discs all round, from factory it too has 17' alloys, is there any dissadvantage in going back to 16 alloy if it will fit because i would prefer to have the extra tyre wall ie, will the extra tyre weight be much of a consideration?
Cheers

[nissvit]

garrfish wrote:

Thank you for replying folks..

No the Diesel GV has discs all round, from factory it too has 17' alloys, is there any dissadvantage in going back to 16 alloy if it will fit because i would prefer to have the extra tyre wall ie, will the extra tyre weight be much of a consideration?
Cheers

nah, i don't think it would make a material difference to the weight,
using 16's should also give you more options for sizes/ brands too, I know when we put the 694's on the 17's it was a problem to get the factory specced size.. we ended going for the size that the AWD territory's use ( I think. . . 235 vs 225) as they were more readily available.

[303zuke]

garrfish wrote:

nissvit wrote:

Our GV (a 2006 V6) has 17" alloys from factory (which I have put 694's on), but the spare is a steel 16".

No the Diesel GV has discs all round, from factory it too has 17' alloys, is there any dissadvantage in going back to 16 alloy if it will fit because i would prefer to have the extra tyre wall ie, will the extra tyre weight be much of a consideration?
Cheers

The real pain is the requirement to run "H" speed rated tyres. There is SFA available in decent 4wd tread patterns that have anywhere near "H" rating, and I have no idea why the GV is rated so high. But if you're happy to have an unroadworthy vehicle and void your insurance, 225/75-16 BFG's (110 S rated in the AT, 110 Q in the MT, and 110 Q in the KM2) would be good.

[garrfish]

303zuke wrote:

garrfish wrote:

nissvit wrote:

The real pain is the requirement to run "H" speed rated tyres. There is SFA available in decent 4wd tread patterns that have anywhere near "H" rating, and I have no idea why the GV is rated so high. But if you're happy to have an unroadworthy vehicle and void your insurance, 225/75-16 BFG's (110 S rated in the AT, 110 Q in the MT, and 110 Q in the KM2) would be good.

Ahh yes, voiding insurance certainly is a consideration, thanks for pointing that out, that really is a ridiculously high rating and i don't suppose aami would take into account that if i had an accident at speeds within the speed limit and not up around the 210km/h mark with wheels that are only rated at 180km/h then it might be another factor to consider in accident cause and determination with common sense prevailing......

Coming back to earth now (maybe not, this may be more ridiculous) is it possible to have the vehicle get an engineers certificate 're-rating' the tyre speed class?

[steve125]

Ask your local Suzuki dealer if they have any second hand OEM steel rims they could sell you. I bought a new diesel in 2008, which came with 17" alloys, and got a set of steel rims that had come off a GV when someone upgraded to alloys.

[303zuke]

garrfish wrote:

303zuke wrote:

garrfish wrote:

nissvit wrote:

The real pain is the requirement to run "H" speed rated tyres. There is SFA available in decent 4wd tread patterns that have anywhere near "H" rating, and I have no idea why the GV is rated so high. But if you're happy to have an unroadworthy vehicle and void your insurance, 225/75-16 BFG's (110 S rated in the AT, 110 Q in the MT, and 110 Q in the KM2) would be good.

Ahh yes, voiding insurance certainly is a consideration, thanks for pointing that out, that really is a ridiculously high rating and i don't suppose aami would take into account that if i had an accident at speeds within the speed limit and not up around the 210km/h mark with wheels that are only rated at 180km/h then it might be another factor to consider in accident cause and determination with common sense prevailing......

Coming back to earth now (maybe not, this may be more ridiculous) is it possible to have the vehicle get an engineers certificate 're-rating' the tyre speed class?

There is not any expectation that you will drive anywhere near 210km/h, but if you fit tyres less than that specified on the tyre placard, you are in breach of ADR 42/04 and you vehicle is instantly deemed unroadworthy, uninsured (CTP) and unregistered. Your Comprehensive Insurance will not cover your vehicle if you have a bump with another car at 20km/h, let alone 200km/h. It is not an Insurance issue, but a safety compliance issue that affects the registration of the car. You would need to have some sort of Engineering Signatory sign off that lower speed rated tyres are safe for your application, and a variance made to the tyre placard. How you could prove that to an Engineer, I dunno, but maybe he could use common sense. ( I agree that 180Km/h should be more than sufficient!)

Or do what 99.9% of people do and just run with the tyres anyway and expect that nothing will ever happen!!

Most tyre fitters these days are aware of the chain of liability and litigation and will actually check the tyre placard before fitting tyres to a vehicle, and may even refuse to fit them in some cases.

[BlueSuzy]

303zuke wrote:

Most tyre fitters these days are aware of the chain of liability and litigation and will actually check the tyre placard before fitting tyres to a vehicle, and may even refuse to fit them in some cases.

Bullshit. Yes some refuse. but Most dont check. try 38psi for a suzuki tyre...

[Jccck]

BlueSuzy wrote:

303zuke wrote:

Most tyre fitters these days are aware of the chain of liability and litigation and will actually check the tyre placard before fitting tyres to a vehicle, and may even refuse to fit them in some cases.

Bullshit. Yes some refuse. but Most dont check. try 38psi for a suzuki tyre...

I'll agree with this.. Have had so many bad vibes from Tyre dealers when i looked for my 30" Muddies.. So many people have no clue wtf their job entails.

[BlueSuzy]

Laurie just had dram's with his, at 22psi..as per other tyre thread.