[Jccck]

Basically i'm dead set keen on buying a Ute.
And i've spent the last 20mins making sweet love to the search button, and haven't found any more info

I want to know the correct name of every Ute model in the SJ style ever made
I need to know the engine size, whether it is LWB or SWB, NT or WT for each model

Anyone able to help me out? Thanks much in advance!

[Chopz]

To be honest mate, i dont even think suzuki knew what the were doing as the have been so many variations in all forms of the utes, in regards to engines, diff ratios, wt or nt, the list goes on.

However if you go to outerlimits4x4 theres a maruti thread in the sierra bible with a load of info on them, it also confirms what I just said.

Might help you out on your quest for info.

[Jccck]

Chopz wrote:

To be honest mate, i dont even think suzuki knew what the were doing as the have been so many variations in all forms of the utes, in regards to engines, diff ratios, wt or nt, the list goes on.

However if you go to outerlimits4x4 theres a maruti thread in the sierra bible with a load of info on them, it also confirms what I just said.

Might help you out on your quest for info.

Thanks, i didn't think to check Outers.. Headin there now

[hutch]

lj10.com has lots of knowledgable peoples.. based in the US of A

[eldo]

My 1985 lwb is a sj51 nt four seater utility, by far the best lwb to get as all it needs is a wt conversion

[Junior_91]

My 1987 Lwb is a factory Wt 5 speed 1.3

[Fatzook]

Junior_91 wrote:

My 1987 Lwb is a factory Wt 5 speed 1.3

Very rare!

[Junior_91]

so i chopped it

[Fatzook]

Junior_91 wrote:

so i chopped it

You made baby jesus cry

[atari4x4]

Junior_91 wrote:

so i chopped it

you could have cut down one of the 1000's of SWB WT soft tops

[Jccck]

Ute, as in tray back.. Not ute as in Soft Top LWB lol

I have a set of WT diffs with spring pads to suit NT spring setup.. So that is no problem

[303zuke]

Jccck wrote:

I want to know the correct name of every Ute model in the SJ style ever made
I need to know the engine size, whether it is LWB or SWB, NT or WT for each model

Jcck wrote:

Ute, as in tray back.. Not ute as in Soft Top LWB lol

Well, for starters, the Tray Back Utes were only ever a Long Wheel Base (2375mm), never came in a SWB (except if you count an NZ Jimny Flatdeck!)

The name "Stockman" was only used on the LJ80 or 81 (not restricted to a Ute), or on a Maruti. Not applied to 1.0 or 1.3 tray backs.

LJ81K Ute with factory tray, 797cc F8A 1977-80
LJ81P Cab/Chassis with factory taillights 1977-80
SJ40T Ute 970cc F10A (SJ410K with tray, SJ410P Cab/Chass), NT, JA spec 1980-85
SJ51T Ute 1324cc G13A NT, JA Spec 1984-87
QB Drover Ute, same as SJ51T above 1324cc G13A NT 1985-87
MG410 Maruti LWB cut-down 970cc F10A, NT 1988-1992
MG410WT Maruti LWB cut down 970cc F10A, WT 1992-1996 "Stockman"

JA Spec means base model (plain seats, no tacho, no wheel arch flares, 6.00-16 Bar tread tyres (FR78-15 Opt))

[2stroker]

Thanks 303zuke, you saved me a long post. A couple of things I want to re-enforce:

There is no such thing as a factory wide track Sierra tray back ute.

The Maruti's that are tray backs started life as a LWB and were cut down into tray backs here in Australia, the stockman sticker on them was not factory it was done to differentiate a tray back from a LWB for sales purposes.

I wish they had never put those Stockman stickers on a Maruti, the only real Stockman is the LJ80/81 Stockman.

[Crunched]

Mine's an SJ40T - 1983. Came as a NT, LWB, 1L. Although most of that changed after I started with it. In fact, the only standard bits left on it are the driver's door and front grill... The rest has been swapped over to newer 1.3/WT bits - WT diffs, 1.3L donk/gearbox/transfer, boosted brakes, 1.3L bonnet, front and rear shock mounts moved/changed, WT dash & interior, etc etc etc.

The traybacks seem to be gaining popularity once again, but buggered if I know why?

[Zook_Fan]

because traybacks are awesome

[Crunched]

Can't argue with that. Although an extra/king-cab would be great for being able to take stuff with you when you drive them..

[remydog05]

Gave dig!

What was the largest factory tyre to come out on a ute??

All I can find is 205/15 but I thought there was something else (larger) on the early utes?

[matty87]

Zook_Fan wrote:

because traybacks are awesome

because utes are awesome and every Aussie should have one and because no your soft top isnt one and if you dont like utes you should leave

[Zook_Fan]

mine had 205/16's standard

[remydog05]

16's?? Not 15's?

I thought the early 1L utes had a larger tire on them??

[Zook_Fan]

matty87 wrote:

and because no your soft top isnt one

and if that was directed at me you should learn not to assume that people only have 1 zook or that their avatar is the only zook they own

remydog05 wrote:

16's?? Not 15's?

Yes my 82, 1L ute came from factory with 16 inch rims. 205/16's are larger than other sierra's. They are actually around 29.5" tall, slightly larger than 235/75R15's I believe.

[remydog05]

Zook_Fan wrote:

matty87 wrote:

and because no your soft top isnt one

and if that was directed at me you should learn not to assume that people only have 1 zook or that their avatar is the only zook they own

remydog05 wrote:

16's?? Not 15's?

Yes my 82, 1L ute came from factory with 16 inch rims. 205/16's are larger than other sierra's. They are actually around 29.5" tall, slightly larger than 235/75R15's I believe.

Ah thanks!
So the next thing I have to do is
1/ Find evidence of this
2/ Try and find evidence of this happening in SJ51 (hopefully but I doubt it!)

[Zook_Fan]

i'll go check and see if i still have the original dash from mine to take a pic of the placard for you.

[matty87]

Zook_Fan wrote:

matty87 wrote:

and because no your soft top isnt one

and if that was directed at me you should learn not to assume that people only have 1 zook or that their avatar is the only zook they own

remydog05 wrote:

16's?? Not 15's?

Yes my 82, 1L ute came from factory with 16 inch rims. 205/16's are larger than other sierra's. They are actually around 29.5" tall, slightly larger than 235/75R15's I believe.

not directed at you mate i was merely adding to what you wrote and having a joke more aimed at those that do think softtops are real utes

[Zook_Fan]

matty87 wrote:

Zook_Fan wrote:

matty87 wrote:

and because no your soft top isnt one

and if that was directed at me you should learn not to assume that people only have 1 zook or that their avatar is the only zook they own

remydog05 wrote:

16's?? Not 15's?

Yes my 82, 1L ute came from factory with 16 inch rims. 205/16's are larger than other sierra's. They are actually around 29.5" tall, slightly larger than 235/75R15's I believe.

not directed at you mate i was merely adding to what you wrote and having a joke more aimed at those that do think softtops are real utes

fair enough i dislike that as well, the whole "show us your ute" thread on outer pisses me off, some nice utes in there though.

[remydog05]

Zook_Fan wrote:

i'll go check and see if i still have the original dash from mine to take a pic of the placard for you.

Bloody awesome mate!

[Zook_Fan]

anyone know where I should be looking for this placard? I swear I have seen it in there before but cannot for the life of me remember where? on a 1L trayback this is.

[303zuke]

Wouldn't be 205/16.

The 16 inch wheels (available on the Utes and JA spec soft-tops) came out only with 6.00-16 Bar treads, or FR78-15 tyres on 15 inch rims for the 1.3 and Maruti. Both the 15 and 16 inch rims were similar styled "big-5 spoke" wheel. Sunraysia style 15" were only available on the JX SWB and LWB, which both used the FR78-15 as standard size.

Widetrack Sierras introduced the 205/70-15 as the new standard tyre with the 3.7 diff as a lower profile tyre to reduce overall height to overcome the "Consumer report" rollover problem.

[drovin]

2strocker, it was'nt done to differenciate a tray back from a lwb, as tray back maruti's are lwb.ie there are no swb maruti's. my well body maruti had the stockman sticker also

[2stroker]

drovin wrote:

2strocker, it was'nt done to differenciate a tray back from a lwb, as tray back maruti's are lwb.ie there are no swb maruti's. my well body maruti had the stockman sticker also

No Maruti came into Australia with a Stockman sticker on it. Yes all Maruti's were LWB what I meant was to differentiate between a cut down tray back ute and a standard style side Maruti.

Because Suzuki had discontinued its tray back ute and they were still sought after by many rural people, in an effort to pick up those sales some Maruti's were chopped down to make them into traybacks, this was done for the dealer by a Brisbane based company, after they were chopped a Stockman Sticker which was also locally made was put on them by the dealer and they were advertised as a Stockman tray back ute.

I remember this because at the time a mate of mine who had a panel shop at Alderley had grand ideas of buying all the chopped off backs and making them into Suzuki trailers but it never happened for him. I will get the name of the company that cut them down and post it up for your interest.

If yours has Stockman stickers and it is still a style side then I would say someone other than the dealer put them on it, replica stickers are available on EBAY for $35 and a number of Suzuki's on this site wear them.