[bugged]

Thinking of getting a winch

What KG rating should I get and whats a good brand

[Sutho]

depends what bar you have or are getting arb bars are only rated for a 6500 winch unless you get a custom bar

[Built4thrashing]

get teh biggest ya can. i did. was cheap and a 12000lb is ok in a zook

[Sutho]

12000 is a overkill haah zooks only way like 900kg

[bugged]

got an ARB bar so guess 6500 kg winch is the go. what about brands??

[Sutho]

warn want like 1600 for theres or you can buy a tmax6500 for like 6-700

[Sutho]

ohh winches are rated in pounds so its like a 3 tonne if it says 6500pounds

[shep]

t-max 6500 isn't a bolt up option into a arb bar. the t-max has a smaller footprint.

[jimbo_jones]

Buy a 2nd hand warn it will out last the tmax anyway I bought a 2nd hand 9000pound warn for 600 bucks and go's like a dream and if you want to loose some weight get some senthetic rope for it

[IN2DEP]

shep wrote:

t-max 6500 isn't a bolt up option into a arb bar. the t-max has a smaller footprint.

The 9000lb bolts up to the ARB Bar, thats what i got fitted to my sierra, the guy said the 9000 should be ok with the zook, but just becareful pulling biger 4WDs out

[v.w.dave]

the tiger11 is the best bang for your buck on the market. Its light powerfull and has a good warranty.

[appsie]

i reckon the tigerz11 might also be the go.Synthetic and all straight up n pretty cheap.How are people finding them so far though?

[Bugsta]

Yeah guys, don't get confused with the ratings. All those high values - 6500, 9,000, 12,000 are all 'lb' (pounds) NOT kg. This is used BECAUSE they are large numbers and it sounds better! 9,000lb is equivalent to about 4,000kg.

When calculating the weight requirement of your winch, you need to remember that a 1 ton vehicle stuck fast in a mud bogg is more like 3 ton. One would expect this to be only for a short time - As the vehicle is pulled free the load reduces, but all the same - needs to be able to pull it.

Also, Your battery and cabling need to be able to handle the current draw for the amount of time it will be working at a given load capacity. Eg. a Warn XD9000 will draw 460Amps (at 12v) when under full load of 9,000lb's, This means that your cable (positive AND negative) from the power source to the winch must be able to handle that current. If it does not, the winch will not do its job, or you will overheat the cable (causing melting of the insulation, which then may allow a short to earth to occur causing even bigger problems), or potentially both.

Finally, the battery must be able to offer the current required - this can be gauged by the CCA of a standard Lead Acid battery, or the MAX discharge current spec of the battery, AND for the time period the current is required (governed by the capacity of the battery in Amp/Hours-AH), and the duty cycle.

Even more finally, you may want to make sure your alternator is more than capable of keeping the charge up to the battery(ies) based on the amount of power you pull out. If you have a factory battery and alternator, and you spend all day winching, you will kill your battery and have nothing left to run your car (specially if its EFI). I found this out the hard way when my alternator died and had to be skull dragged from half way up Big Red's chicken track

A bit techo, but its important stuff when venturing into High current drawing devices like this.

[Bugsta]

One more thing. The weight capability of a winch suited to YOUR vehicle is one thing and from my research, a 6,500 is ample for most Suzukis. If, however, you are plannining on pulling out something else, or just happen to be the only one there to do it, you need to consider if you can. A Patrol or Cruiser is a much heavier vehicle and our tiny Sierra/Jimny chasis's just may not handle the load.

[DMAC]

appsie wrote:

i reckon the tigerz11 might also be the go.Synthetic and all straight up n pretty cheap.How are people finding them so far though?

Mine going fine so far. Not the fastest thing on earth but thats not really a concern when doing a recovery.

Used it a dozen times in the last 12 months only issue is when recovering another vehicle I have to keep attaching the back of the zuke to a tree.

Only been using a 440CCA battery which bugsta quite rightly pointed out is a bit low in CCA for the 12000lb winch. 660CCA is the requirement.
Have a D34M Blue top Optima now. 880CCA

Only issue is the free spool lever is way hard to turn.

[shep]

I think it is crazy to attach the back of your car to a tree when winching
Rather put the winch bar against a tree and then the winching forces will
Not be trying to pull your car in half.

[Bugsta]

shep wrote:

I think it is crazy to attach the back of your car to a tree when winching
Rather put the winch bar against a tree and then the winching forces will
Not be trying to pull your car in half.

If you are recovering someone else, I don't see how turning the vehicle around is going to reduce the forces on the recovering vehicle. In fact, the forces would be increased because...

When you have the back of the recovering vehicle fixed to a tree, you would have the handbrake on, and in gear, utilising the vehicles own mass and friction between each wheel and the ground it stands on. The tree is just added support

If you attach the front bar winch to a tree and the vehicle to be recovered to the back of your vehicle via strap, you are winching the weight of 2 vehicles, not one. This increases the load on the winch and as you say 'trying to pull your car in half'

Have I missunderstood what you are saying? Can you explain your theory?

DMAC wrote:

Only been using a 440CCA battery which bugsta quite rightly pointed out is a bit low in CCA for the 12000lb winch

Not an issue if you only pull loads of up to the capacity that will draw the current allowance you have. 440CCA ~<9000lb. Just on 4,000 kg. You'll pull any Suzuki out of a bog with that, just perhaps not a fully laiden Drover! The danger of course is - How do you really know... Unless you have a gauge between the winch and the load - you don't.

The other thing with stock Lead Acid batteries (especially with the camera battery supplied in our zooks), the capacity is just so minimal, and you cannot drain these. Recover a Suzuki a few times sure, but a couple of bigger vehicles and you'll kill your OEM LA battery. An AGM battery will not only be a higher capacity but you discharge them to a much lower point, meaning more usability. They are 4 times the price, but with our usage requirements, you will get easily 4 times the benefit. Capacity, Current draw, versitility, maintenance-free and life.

I highly recommend a good quality house charger. WHY - because a car's alternator just cannot charge a battery to its fullest. A quality charger also has recondition modes that may help recover the battery from poor usage (over discharging) and can help to improve its life.

[DMAC]

shep wrote:

I think it is crazy to attach the back of your car to a tree when winching
Rather put the winch bar against a tree and then the winching forces will
Not be trying to pull your car in half.

Probably agree with that, but the situations I have found myself in nudging up to a tree hasn't been possible. High banks and steep inclines off to the side.
Anyway how else am I going to get a LWB.

[shep]

I never said attach the winch bar to a tree. I said put the bar against a tree. Really big
Differance

[Bugsta]

Fair enough. Yeah my bad - interpretation.

[seen]

if you hav a arb bar the tigerz11 winch wont fit from wat i hav heard

[TZAR]

Bugsta wrote:

One more thing. The weight capability of a winch suited to YOUR vehicle is one thing and from my research, a 6,500 is ample for most Suzukis. If, however, you are plannining on pulling out something else, or just happen to be the only one there to do it, you need to consider if you can. A Patrol or Cruiser is a much heavier vehicle and our tiny Sierra/Jimny chasis's just may not handle the load.

SNATCH BLOCK OR TWO OR THRE AND YOU CAN PULL ANYTHING YOU WANT.....

[neofitou]

Im going the cheap 3500lb chinese ebay winch and a snach block for if im wedged in mud. At $150 for one with the snach block I can replace it a few times if I need to and get snachied or hand winch out if it breaks.

I only have a small hand winch atm and thats good enough with a snatch block..

[jim_dover]

Yeah I got the same 3000lbs (1361kg) winch and with a snatch block that should turn it into a 7000lbs (2722kg) winch if I'm right which is more then enough for a Suzzi. An only $100 posted to my door!!!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BRANDNEW-12V-300 ... 2c55916123

[Ben_Sierra]

Grave dig much

[foonji]

Now this is a winch setup

http://www.armouredacorn.com/Refs-%20Thumbprints%20&%20Images/Photo%20Gallery/Aus-ARVL/ARVL-05.jpg

Just chuck some phat spades on your bar

[Red89]

Ben_Sierra wrote:

Grave dig much

You'll be whinging next week because he didnt search

[Ben_Sierra]

Bumping a topic is fine to ask a question on the same subject but when its been dead 3 months who benefits from OMGWTFBBQLOLOLOL!!!!111!! Look at my wikid cheep ebay winch bitches...

(Or words to that effect)

[Red89]

Ben_Sierra wrote:

Bumping a topic is fine to ask a question on the same subject but when its been dead 3 months who benefits from OMGWTFBBQLOLOLOL!!!!111!! Look at my wikid cheep ebay winch bitches...

(Or words to that effect)

Hey, he managed to search and the post was legible and somewhat on topic.

Baby steps here, baby steps

[Ben_Sierra]

Next week it'll be:

My $100 winch burnt out on the first recovery WTF??!??!?!