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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:31 am |
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Hey, replacing the break shoes whilst I am replacing the wheel nearings too..
Anyways The new shoes look identical to the old ones that came out... Fit in good, everything seemed to line up fine.. When it came to putting the drum back on, it wont fit over the break shoes? Ive tried compressing them as much as possible.. Still wont fit...
Here are the photos..
Anything wrong here?

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89_tintop

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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3159 Location: gold coast
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Are the shoes centred??
Looks like rhe right one is sitting lower then the left on.. And also is your handbrake adjuster backed off?
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ajsr

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 3712 Location: melb
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shane1992

az supporter
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:40 am |
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I have wiggled them around as much as possible.. nothing seems to work
Really annoying, Ive had so much bad luck with little simple shit like this
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Scrawny

I live here!
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
Vehicle: Popemobile
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Do you have the right shoes? There's two different size shoes, you may have the big ones. That's ok, I have the smaller ones here 
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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Thye are the same as the ones that came out, except that the new ones have more meat on them... I will try centre them again tomorrow
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:04 am |
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undo bleed nipple and compress shoes,
dont look like they are in far enuff to me
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:04 am |
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I once forgot to take hand brake off, that stuffed me fer a while 
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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christover1 wrote: undo bleed nipple and compress shoes, dont look like they are in far enuff to me
I had both the metal break line sunscrewed from the wheel cylinder when doing it,
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:06 am |
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christover1 wrote: I once forgot to take hand brake off, that stuffed me fer a while 
I checked that about 5 times lol
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Scrawny

I live here!
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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shane1992 wrote: Thye are the same as the ones that came out, except that the new ones have more meat on them... I will try centre them again tomorrow
Don't be fooled by looks. Put the old shoe against it and compare. They are identical in every way bar outer diameter
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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brake drums sometimes get a lip on them,
making it very hard to get them over new brakes.
What are your drums like?
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:10 am |
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Getting pissed off with rear drum brakes over the years,
made it very good value for me to convert to rear discs.
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dogbox
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:18 am Posts: 27 Location: nsw
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:14 am |
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have you adjusted your brake adjuster back to the start
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:24 am |
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dogbox wrote: have you adjusted your brake adjuster back to the start
Is that what I ahve taken photos of? Photo 2&3 ... Its the only thing that is adjustable
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Scrawny

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Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:28 am |
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shane1992 wrote: dogbox wrote: have you adjusted your brake adjuster back to the start Is that what I ahve taken photos of? Photo 2&3 ... Its the only thing that is adjustable
Yes, it's right back in the first two pics but fully extended in the 3rd
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:28 am |
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the rear shoe looks like its being opened by the handbrake lever, pull the handbrake cables off, center the shoes and shove, especially if there is a lip on the drums
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jimbo_jones

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Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4361 Location: gong
Vehicle: 2015 Jimny, LJ50, Maruti
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:44 am |
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did you want me to drop in tomorrow and have a look?
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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Scrawn wrote: shane1992 wrote: dogbox wrote: have you adjusted your brake adjuster back to the start Is that what I ahve taken photos of? Photo 2&3 ... Its the only thing that is adjustable Yes, it's right back in the first two pics but fully extended in the 3rd
Yeah that photo is out of order, it is currently like the 2nd photo shows..
Royce, I have tried with it unhooked and hooked,
Jimbo, I will have ago tomorrow morning again.. Ill message you if im still stuck..
So can I be rough with the drum and shove it over? Im worried its gunna damage the surface of the shoes...
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9347 Location: Newcastle
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:51 am |
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Last picture. The bit with the splines on it. Adjust that all the way in to get the drum on.
It will adjust back after a drive around the block.
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Brett

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Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1791 Location: Central coast NSW
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:55 am |
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in those pics your right shoe is sitting to low. just tap it up
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:58 am |
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SierraDan wrote: Last picture. The bit with the splines on it. Adjust that all the way in to get the drum on. It will adjust back after a drive around the block.
Yeah you can see I have in the 2nd photo... sorry photos are mixed up..
I will try that tomorrow Brett
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buzbox
Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3600 Location: Wollongong NSW
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I had the same issues before, try adjusting the well, brake adjuster, make sure it's on it's first teeth, then push the slave cyliner in on both sides at the same time.
It's just fiddly. I've gotta head out to bunnings in the morning so I'll swing past to see how your getting on with it.
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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buzbox wrote: I had the same issues before, try adjusting the well, brake adjuster, make sure it's on it's first teeth, then push the slave cyliner in on both sides at the same time.
It's just fiddly. I've gotta head out to bunnings in the morning so I'll swing past to see how your getting on with it.
Okay sweet as! Hopefully all together at that time!
Wait till you hear the dramas I had haha
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gregwatkins75

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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:13 pm Posts: 1334 Location: WeSt RaDeLaIdE
Vehicle: Suzukiless these days..
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The RIGHT hand side brake shoe needs to be pushed up a bit. and probable the shoes have a lip on them that will need machining to slip over properly
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:25 am |
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gregwatkins75 wrote: The RIGHT hand side brake shoe needs to be pushed up a bit. and probable the shoes have a lip on them that will need machining to slip over properly
the shoes? do you mean the drum need machining?
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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Brake places used to make shoes with oversized linings,
and turn down the lining to match the drum,
after drum was machined.
I doubt very much that this still happens
in todays mass production methods?
But I think he means machine drums?
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gregwatkins75

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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:13 pm Posts: 1334 Location: WeSt RaDeLaIdE
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Oops yes I meant drums ,,,,,,,,,, sounds like exactly the same situation I was in a few weeks ago.......
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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Your missing a wheel bearing retaining bolt to.... 
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now I'm not so sure.....
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:24 pm |
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steak_knife wrote: Your missing a wheel bearing retaining bolt to.... 
Haha I am aware of that and it was put back in
UPDATE!
Got the drums in, yous were right about them being off centred.. Mut of been to much of in a rush...
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