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davevet wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

I tend to think that cheap winches are ruining 4wding

Without detracting from the focus of this thread, thats an interesting statement - why?

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Gwagensteve wrote:

/Hijack on: It's not really anything to do with getting what you pay for, it's more that inexperienced drivers are buying unreliable 456,000 lb winches which are slower than time itself, and set out to "drive" tracks they have neither the vehicle or experience to drive.

In the old days winches were expensive so you built a car and bought a winch afterwards.

Steve. /hijack off.

The long and skinny of it.

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another thing that's making me scratch my head, pantera's gu patrol weights over 3.2 tons & he has a 9,000lb winch. it's pulled him & everyone else out of anything & does it extremely easily. if his car weights 2 or 3 times that of my jimny, shouldn't he require a winch that's 2-3 times as powerful, meaning i could use a winch between 3-4000lbs & get similar results on my vehicle ?

[Gwagensteve]

9k is a bit light for a 3.2 tonne car. It's not terrible, but it is a bit light. Same as a 4.5k winch on a 1600kg car, which is what I'd work off for a jimny.

Steve.

[jonno_racing]

Gwagensteve wrote:

/Hijack on: It's not really anything to do with getting what you pay for, it's more that inexperienced drivers are buying unreliable 456,000 lb winches which are slower than time itself, and set out to "drive" tracks they have neither the vehicle or experience to drive.

In the old days winches were expensive so you built a car and bought a winch afterwards.

Steve. /hijack off.

That's like saying cheep mudders or ebay or suzukis in general are ruining 4wding.
Just as a point my winches are no slower than any general 9000lb low mount. My runnva is a bit faster than the eBay unit.

The point still stands that yes there cheep. Yes they work. You just need to keep that in mind when using it.

[Gwagensteve]

Not at all Phil. Cheap mud tyres make your car more capable. Suzukis are already capable. Dragging a patrol wth open diffs and road tyres up a challenging track in winter to say you "drove it" because you have a $400 winch isn't 4wding.

Steve.