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Post Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 8:59 am 
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Good day everyone! I have a pair of 1995 “Vitaras” (US equivalent). Both are G16B. I would like to explore some power improvements. One is a 5spd, and that is my wheeling rig. It does fair with 235/75 tires, but I want more! What options are you guys in Oz using to squeeze more out of them? My 4 dr had the head shaved like .030” before I bought it. The previous owner said he had done some figuring and thought it bumped compression to around 10:1. No confirmation on that though. I am wondering about trying an adjustable cam gear. Based on basic research, I am thinking a Swift 1.3 pulley would work. Am I incorrect on that? I would like to get a header as well, but they are not cheap! It will probably eventually happen though. So any suggestions? Reliability is almost as high a concern as performance upgrades, but I am willing to sacrifice a touch…but probably not forced induction reliability sacrifice…

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Post Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 4:02 pm 
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OkieZuker wrote:
Reliability is almost as high a concern


Standard G16B are the most common here through many different variants.
The blocks, heads and headgaskets aren't that reliable standard, so make any mods a bolt on thing.

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Post Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 7:18 pm 
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I’m afraid you’re not going to make a substantial improvement without spending a lot of money and narrowing the powerband.

A cam gear will just move the powerband around a bit. The g16b exhaust manifold is fairly well designed (although they can fall apart internally)

In a vitara they’re moving a fairly heavy car so torque is the issue. Retarding the cam may boost low end torque but the other complication is that there’s limited headroom in the EFI system. I would be investing in a wide band A/F meter before you start messing with anything.

G16b’s are renowned for cracking heads due to steam pockets, so make sure you don’t get it hot.

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Post Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 7:54 am 
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G16b’s are renowned for cracking heads due to steam pockets, so make sure you don’t get it hot.


Steve, is there any common radiator or pump upgrades or things that should be done to minimise this risk?

Beyond the normal maintenance.

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Post Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 9:43 am 
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Hi Okie
I would start with the headers (look on Aliexpress) and getting the exhaust to breath out a lot easier maybe a bigger exhaust without flow restriction and up to about 2 inch pipe usually helps, then work on the intake side of the motor, easiest is a K&N filter - if you like them, and a snorkel to ram feed more air in and maybe an intake manifold tidy up removing all rough edges which are always there and thinking how to increase the flow into the motor and porting the manifold, it takes some time with a die grinder, none of this should effect your reliability

It is what it is you are never going to double the power, but you can gain some

Hope that helps
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Post Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 4:45 pm 
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G16b’s are renowned for cracking heads due to steam pockets, so make sure you don’t get it hot.


Steve, is there any common radiator or pump upgrades or things that should be done to minimise this risk?

Beyond the normal maintenance.


I'm not aware of any pump upgrades. The V6 and 2.0 cars ran a bigger radiator but I don't think it will fit in a 1.6 because of differences to the chassis and slam panel.

The bigger issue is that there's marginal flow out the back of the block. Peak G16B longevity is achieved with the transverse/ Front wheel drive thermostat location which puts 100% of the coolant flow across the head and block instead of turning it around and pulling it back to the front of the motor before it goes off to the radiator. The heater has full flow constantly on a vitara which is a design requirement of the G16B but more flow is better than less - If I was building a "maximum effort" G16B I would 100% runt he FWD thermostat location. (and in fact, my "minimal effort" engine was swapped to a rear mounted thermostat a few years ago. It still has a cracked head/leaky gasket but it's not getting any worse.

Andy - I don't think there is a lot of power hiding in the exhaust manifold. I swapped from headers back to a Baleno cast manifold for clearance reasons and can't say I noticed any difference. The rest of my exhaust is pretty free flowing so it wan't due to other changes.

The only place for a K&N filter is the bin. The stock Vitara air filter box and element is already not suitable for an off road car, fitting it with a filter that doesn't filter as well as paper isn't a sensible move, even if it did liberate power, which it won't. Ironically, I have K&N filters in two of my road cars. fortunately one doesn't get driven so hopefully not even K&N can dust a motor that isn't running, and the other car has a pre filter sock on it, I upsized the filter to the biggest one I could possibly fit, and I hate it. Unfortunately I can't put an airbox in it because of other modifications.

Many years ago someone calculated the inlet size a snorkel would require to provide some positive pressure at the intake manifold. It was larger than the windscreen of the car, from memory. That's not to say there aren't some gains to be had in upgrading intake piping before the filter, but they generally require large diameter piping and are not suitable for an off road car. I learned this the hard way with a cold air feed on a diesel hilux 30 years ago.

I get the pursuit of small gains but unfortunately they're rarely measurable and we're hopeless at being objective. If we put lots of time an effort into something of course it's made the car better. Even moreso if it increases noise.

The biggest performance gains that can be made would be to reduce weight, especially unsprung weight (wheels and tyres) and rolling resistance along with correcting the gearing for the tyre size. People laugh at my speed holes but when I look at my car I can't see any obvious way I can make it lighter without sacrificing capability or safety. Perhaps an alloy fuel tank and a low mount winch, but that would be about it. Even my wheels, although steel, are very light as they're made from stock Sierra wheels which are much lighter than most aftermarket wheels (Including lots of alloys)

So I'd consider putting the car on a diet a priority. Take it over a weighbridge in the format you drive it off-road, I bet you'll get a shock about how much heavier than the advertised tare weight it is.

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Post Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 9:57 am 
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I see in another thread Andy referred to my dislike of K&N. Sorry for the rant Andy, but you've touched on something I'm quite passionate about, so I'll put it down here for reference. If this post makes one person reconsider buying a K&N or equivalent oiled gauze filter, it was worth it. There's even a topic on the good tech page called "Air filter rant" from 15 years ago where I go over this. It's an interesting read when the K&N fans start trying to explain why they're so good. There is also lots of good tech in there on Donaldson precleaners and other relevant stuff.

K&N is the equivalent of "miracle anti aging cream" for blokes. They're marketing nonsense. Basic physics will tell you if a filter doesn't restrict air it won't restrict dirt.

To be clear, it's not an "opinion" it's because there is plenty of science that K&N filters are terrible filters. I was reading test results from filtration engineers many years ago, this isn't new news. I work in an unrelated (non-automotive) field with a high reliance on code compliance and data quality. I have a bit of a special interest that when someone puts a claim on the side of a shiny box in SuperCheap auto, it actually means something.
You won't find any auditable test data on the side of a K&N box. They use terms like "the best combination of fuel efficiency, filtration and power" which is meaningless. They also discredit ISO 5011 and then claim 96-99% filtration efficiency. 96% is terrible. Really dreadful- like six times worse than a good filter. The tables in the article below demonstrate how poorly a K&N performs in like for like testing. Note that in the test below the filter under ISO testing achieves just over 96% efficiency while a the best boring old paper filter nears 100%.

You can read K&N's test procedures here: https://www.knfilters.com/efficiency_te ... FHYXoeYgKY
They're almost maliciously misleading... it's almost like they're hiding something... Here's a clue though, if you're discrediting an international standard, and not because you think the standard is inadequate, you're not on strong ground.

So here's some ISO compliant test data (bless the authors of this article - this was much easier to find than the article I was looking for initially):

https://www.project200.com.au/dm-iso5011/

It's damming. the TL,DR version is K&n filters poorly, it passes about 6 times more than a good paper filter. It can't hold much dust, and in a dusty environment very quickly starts to pass dust into the engine. The good news is when clean it offers very little restriction. Who would have thought a filter that doesn't slow the air down won't stop the dirt.

Their K&N marketing machine rolls on though and people will aggressively defend them because they believed what was written on the side of the box. and it makes more power. Well so does running no filter at all ::shrugs::

Most of what I've written below is the practical result of the poor test data. You might consider it opinion or take issue with it, but it's much more difficult to take issue with the test data. If there are practical ways to make a K&N perform better as a filter and I've overlooked them I'm all for it. Running one in a centrifugal housing, with a pre filter on it (I think they call them a filter charger) fed by a Donaldson pre cleaner might be a solution. It will still have a much shorter service interval than a paper filter in the same housing though.

A big issue with K&N iis that a manufacturer designs an intake for an application, generally including service interval, noise, power, a filtration efficiency required. this design is based on the function of a paper filter. Some kid* throws that away and then fits a cone type filter in its place with no effort to determine if it's enough filter. Maybe they've shortened the service interval to 5000km, 1000km.... maybe less - who knows? (and even then, it's still passing more dust when serviced than a paper filter)
* (or worse, a boomer with $150K of their super tied up in a 300 series and a caravan and they think they're protecting their investment because they read the side of the box)

..and then when they service that filter there's no way of knowing if it's really been done correctly. K&N actually specify the correct amount of filter oil to be applied for each filter. Remember this is done by aerosol. I'm not that good - how do I account for the weight of propellant, overspray, evenness of coating? I've gone as far as weighing the aerosol can before and after application to try and work out how many grams of oil I've applied to know if it's properly serviced because not enough or too much and the filter doesn't work properly. What nonsense.

Speaking of which, If you fit a K&N to a factory airbox, something K&N use as a defence of why ISO 5011 is problematic as it doesn't test in the stock airbox, the airbox stops working properly. I'll explain why.

There are two styles of airbox, panel and centrifugal. You'll notice with panel filters than the air is always drawn UP through the filter. This is so than when the engine is turned off (no vacuum across the filter) the dirt falls off the filter into the bottom of the box wherein collects at the lowest point (which is why they have a sloped bottom) A K&N is sticky so when the engine is turned off, the dirt stays stuck to the filter. This massively reduces service interval. The problem isn't quite as bad with centrifugal filter housings but it's still an issue. Problem is, how do you know what the "new" service interval should be? Note also that as 4WD's become more road biased there are more panel filters fitted to them now. Panel filters are not well suited to a 4WD application as they can't deal with dust very well and then that panel is replaced with a sticky filter that loads up and then starts passing dirt into the engine.

So, how do you make more power through an air filter while retaining good filtration? Fit a larger paper element. Fit a well designed centrifugal filter housing. A larger element (more surface area) means the air moves though the filter slower so, literally, the dirt doesn't hit it as hard, making the filter work better. I have a 1990's Hiace filter in my Suzuki, they use a large cylindrical element which is available anywhere, the housing seals very well and can be easily modified as it's steel. It has more surface area and can run bigger inlet piping than a Suzuki airbox I rarely bother to open my airbox. Every couple of years I'll just swap the filter over.

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I've built Suzukis with a K&N cone filter. Note this was a large cone with a 660cc pulling though it, so the filter was huge for the airflow. It passed dirt. I have a K&N in my FG XR6T because it has a RHS intake mod. It passes dirt. I replaced the filter with a longer one and run a filter sock on it so at least the larger debris falls off the filter. Another of my road cars has a factory installed K&N (what were HSV thinking?? - even a HSV dealer told me I'd swapped the filter over "and they wouldn't service it" even though it has a HSV part number on it) but as I said I don't drive that and I need to keep it standard.

PS I've also owned oiled foam filters. They're also garbage.

PPS I'm aware there are now synthetic filter materials that work as well as paper. They are still dry, non-serviceable filters though and gain no respect at a car show.

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Post Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 10:33 am 
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* I just read a deeper into the article I linked above in relation to the unifilter. Some people bag K&N and claim oiled foam is far superior, often citing dirt bike and other off-road applications. Note that while the Unifilter was second worst performing overall next to K&N, it actually only rated mid pack for restriction.

My own experience with unifilter in a centrifugal airbox fed by a snorkel was hilariously short service intervals, measured in days, when used in high country dust.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2025 12:12 pm 
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Lots to unpack here!
I like that air filter setup Steve. It looks like something like that would be easy to adapt a snorkel to as well. As to the foam Uni filters...I have known some people over the years who raced dirt bikes, quads, etc. Lots of uni or K&N filters. And regular overhauls as well. I sure don't think "it works for dirt bikes" will sway a decision for me on a vehicle I plan to daily drive.
Do you guys have any options down under for aftermarket cam profiles on the G16B? There are a few cam grinders here in the states that will regrind a different profile onto the stock cam, and several different options for profiles. I have wondered about that option as well. If I could either broaden the power band or get it a touch lower in the rpm that would be great. Just to verify...I thought advancing cam timing moved the power band down, not retarding. With my 5 spd rig, the power band isn't as big of an issue, but with the auto, bringing it down slightly would be nice. We took it on an overlanding trip in October, and the poor thing needed just a little more punch before hitting stall speed on the converter. There were a few times going over obstacles that a couple hundred more rpm in stall speed would have helped get over them, but a touch more power at stall speed would be good too. Once we could get moving, it would climb over and up anything we threw at it, sometimes we just had to rock back and forth to get going.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:52 am 
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Ah yes, I had my advance and retard back to front. Regardless, my point stands.

I assume the auto car is 4 speed.

Yes, you can try advancing the cam, you can also try premium fuel and advancing the timing a little which will add some torque. None of these will be transformative though. You might notice, but there's a very strong confirmation bias. Lowering the power band is a tradeoff - peak power will be reduced in the hunt for torque.

Reground cams have limitations on how much the profile can be changed and that will present restrictions around building low end torque. Again, with a reduction in peak power.

I need to be clear here though, when people talk about "increasing power" for an aspirated car, it's going to involve narrowing the power band and moving it up, because HP=torqueXrpm.

It sounds like you need to increase torque. the 4 door is a fairy heavy car and with common off road load and larger tyres it feels a bit soft.

I would consider 5.38 gears. Advancing the timing to exploit premium fuel is also pretty cheap. beyond that there are some 30 year old techniques for "tricking" the efi into running the car richer but that's a total lucky dip and confirming you've actually made a difference is expensive to prove.

A big factor is torque converter stall speed. I reckon the 4 speed auto needs a slightly looser converter. This will speed acceleration and let the motor work higher in its RPM range which will make a substantial difference. In my experience the G16B-AW-4 combination feels like it needs a bit more stall speed, even in my 2800lb Sierra with very deep gearing.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:33 am 
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The auto trans is in the 2 dr, so it is a 3 spd (at least that is how they were equipped in the States). Stall speed I think is the culprit. Once I get some tire spin or forward motion or anything to get off the stall of the converter, it will accelerate and go. Took a trip with some friends and that is what we figured out…if I could just get some forward motion where the engine could hit 3k rpm, I was unstoppable. Of course the issue is if torque is increased to any appreciable degree, it can lower the active stall speed of the converter, which may just be totally self defeating!

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:45 am 
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I thought I had a response typed, and I don’t know what happened, so this may happen twice…
The auto trans is in my 2 dr, so it is a 3 spd. I am about to do a timing belt on the 2 dr so I may advance the cam timing and see what happens. It is not the same engine, but it seems the guys with 1.0’s in Geo Metros (Suzuki swift I think) have good results from that.
Lowering the torque curve with an auto trans can be a slippery slope, as it could have the unintended consequence of lowering the stall speed of the converter, thus not helping my problem at all! The little rig will climb anything or go anywhere as long as I can get some wheel spin or something to get the rpm’s over 3k. My 4 dr needs a motor, so I may get a little more adventurous with it when the time comes. I have to source a complete engine, but the head on the old engine was milled significantly, so that may end up on the new motor that goes in. For it I am still considering just finding a J20 donor.

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