[barbender]

Ok, Ok, I have read all the posts, taken note of all the comments, more cons for non Efi than pro Efi, it seems I may have to reevaluate my way of thinking, I have seen the photos and the EFI wiring and it looks like the last spaghetti bolognese my wife cooked. However, I guess I'm never to old to learn or give something a go. So for my info, what vehicles use the G16B, are there any engine mods necessary,ie. sump, with the loom, how much of it do you take. Is there a complete guide on Auszookers for the conversion to G16B. Whose posts should I look at. Pics,wiring diagrams etc. Well thanks for all the comments both positive and negative to my original post, I have found them informative to say the very least.

[MrRocky]

U will need a manual transmission 97 - 01 g16b baleno motor with the coilpacks on the rocker cover
Need the entire loom, from the handbrake lever to the bumper including the ecu and fuse box. Cutdown loom labelled with 3 wires to connect $450
Also you will need the ben-t adaptor kit regardless of if u go efi or not $200
Suzistore sell a waterpipe relocation kit which saves custom stuff and makes it all bolt on. $200
Efi fuel pump. I use an inline mercedes pump that selfs priming $300
Efi z200 ryco fuel filter $20
Sierra sump with baleno crank sensor section graphted on $250
There are plenty of other items you should also swap while its all out clutch, radiator, thermostat, rear main ect...
I do the loom but am in wa so would require postage to and fro

Here is some reading viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6423

[barbender]

Some comments are indicating a swap from a Vitara may be easier, can someone explain the difference between the swaps Baleno vs' Vitara engines (other than cost of Vit engine)

[MrRocky]

Age is the main thing with the vit motors its gettingvhard to find decent ones, the baleno being newer and in passenger car means lower kms better condition generally. Also slightly more hp. No sump fab or waterpipe relocation kit is necessary on the vit motor

[barbender]

Thanks MrRocky

[Gwagensteve]

Vitara G16B's are also more prone to cracking - it's almost unheard of in Baleno motors. There is a theory (I quite like) to explain this - On Baleno's the coolant flows through the motor front front to back, where on RWD G motors it flows back on itself, creating the possibility of areas of low flow and how spots.

MrRocky has highlighted the main advantage of the Vitara swap. There is another - the G16B vitaras are available with a truly excellent 4 speed automatic which is an excellent conversion, but it does add significantly to the amount of work to install it.

There are another couple of disadvantages with the Vitara - Vitara G16B's all run an airflow meter in the inlet piping. This is bulky and in the early G16B's requires very large diameter piping to accomodate it. The vitara inlet manifold placing the inlet piping over the top of the rocker cover which adds height to the engine and increases the difficulty of clearing the bonnet. This manifold also puts the air filter on the passengers side, which is one more issue to sort. The wiring is a little tiny bit simpler and easier to comprehend for someone coming from a carby (it still has a distributor) but the on board diagnostics are much less detailed. Something you might not be aware of/consider is that coil packs are much better at dealing with water than distributors.

So, in simple terms,
Vitara: No sump mods, no water piping mods, but air filter relocation, reduced bonnet clearance, older motor with more chance of cracks,

Baleno: Sump mods, water piping mods, air filter can stay where it is, more power, better EFI, better diagnostics, newer, much less chance of cracks.

[barbender]

Thanks everyone for their comments,been a great help,regards to all.

[Pooke]

Apologies for the threadjack, though it is somewhat on topic.

Do you get the g16a 8v with single point fuel injection EPI/SPI in Aus? Are they a decent improvement over the carb? I have access to one and was thinking of putting it in my Samurai.

[barbender]

POOKE, haven't got an engine yet, just research stage.

[Gwagensteve]

Bartender, I think Pooke was asking whether Australia ever received this engine, not what engine you purchased.

No Pooke, we didn't. There are a small number of JDM Escudo's in the country with this engine. It is more resistant to angles than a carb, but I don't know much more about it than that.

[MrRocky]

Runs a bit rich when installed on a 1.3 ltr but it is possible.
Marginally better than a carb. The injector is quite simple and can be swapped out or machined for different spray/flow patterns. A couple guys in west oz ran them in comp rigs 10+ years ago