[Dr_Snapid]

sideways wrote:

As for the capability of an LJ, I have a very stock LJ81 on half worn bar treads (same size and tread pattern as it rolled out of he factory on!), the only "mod" is a set of super heavy duty standard height springs that basically mean it doesn't flex at all. I also have a Sierra on near new 30" KM2s with a few other mods. The LJ is massively better off road, especially in technical stuff. Comparing my Sierras offroad ability to the LJs is very "you brought a knife to a gun fight".

If this is really true, I'm wondering why. If its underpowered, with no flex, and poor tread, then why is it better thn the sierra? Why do we all go to the trouble of increasing flex, grip and power then?

[atari4x4]

Dr_Snapid wrote:

sideways wrote:

As for the capability of an LJ, I have a very stock LJ81 on half worn bar treads (same size and tread pattern as it rolled out of he factory on!), the only "mod" is a set of super heavy duty standard height springs that basically mean it doesn't flex at all. I also have a Sierra on near new 30" KM2s with a few other mods. The LJ is massively better off road, especially in technical stuff. Comparing my Sierras offroad ability to the LJs is very "you brought a knife to a gun fight".

If this is really true, I'm wondering why. If its underpowered, with no flex, and poor tread, then why is it better thn the sierra? Why do we all go to the trouble of increasing flex, grip and power then?

cause he's a one eye'd little jeep owner.... nothing will ever be as good as the little jeep, just ask hillbilly.

[burls]

What Highway said

There is a lot of people around here looking for one of them, I cant believe you snuck it out under their noses. Nice rig and forget the jimny

[KEENSY85]

I'm falling in love with ljs. There is said it what a mad bus, I'd still restore it and run her in the bush that's she's made for

[sideways]

Dr_Snapid wrote:

sideways wrote:

As for the capability of an LJ, I have a very stock LJ81 on half worn bar treads (same size and tread pattern as it rolled out of he factory on!), the only "mod" is a set of super heavy duty standard height springs that basically mean it doesn't flex at all. I also have a Sierra on near new 30" KM2s with a few other mods. The LJ is massively better off road, especially in technical stuff. Comparing my Sierras offroad ability to the LJs is very "you brought a knife to a gun fight".

If this is really true, I'm wondering why. If its underpowered, with no flex, and poor tread, then why is it better thn the sierra? Why do we all go to the trouble of increasing flex, grip and power then?

I'm wondering why too, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me either but here's my observations. It has massively better gearing(for example, an LJ50s gearing is roughly twice as low as a 1.3l Sierra, LJ80s are higher geared than LJ50s though, it's like 1l vs 1.3l) and you don't notice the lower power in low range/at low speeds, it's when you get out on the road or have to turn the wheels in thick mud or sand. The LJ has a flat bottom (SWB LJs don't) which helps, the sierra has a tow bar unlike the LJ too. The body is a hell of a lot more wheeling friendly, the Sierra feels like a barge in comparison, though the LJs longer and higher bonnet resricts forward vision somewhat. An LJ50 bonnet would be nice. The LJ doesn't get cross axled as easily as the Sierra(which gets cross axled stupidly easily), it feels like it has a weak pair of LSDs fitted or something(it doesn't), lifting a wheel rarely phases it. I've read a few other people say that too, I'm guessing it's got something to do with better weight distribution and centered diff awesomeness.

Also, I'm not convinced the KM2s are really a better off road tyre than the bar treads, the LJ just gets its power to the ground so much better. Those tyres work amazing well with 5psi in them, though with road pressure they're freaking useless. Genuinely frightening tyres on wet tarmac too.

atari4x4 wrote:

Dr_Snapid wrote:

sideways wrote:

As for the capability of an LJ, I have a very stock LJ81 on half worn bar treads (same size and tread pattern as it rolled out of he factory on!), the only "mod" is a set of super heavy duty standard height springs that basically mean it doesn't flex at all. I also have a Sierra on near new 30" KM2s with a few other mods. The LJ is massively better off road, especially in technical stuff. Comparing my Sierras offroad ability to the LJs is very "you brought a knife to a gun fight".

If this is really true, I'm wondering why. If its underpowered, with no flex, and poor tread, then why is it better thn the sierra? Why do we all go to the trouble of increasing flex, grip and power then?

cause he's a one eye'd little jeep owner.... nothing will ever be as good as the little jeep, just ask hillbilly.

One day there's going to be a gearbox on your driveway and it's going to be from me.

[atari4x4]

going by the vast number of UFP's you have, i'm guessing there is a surplus of gearboxes too... so i'll just back away slowly from this thread.

[sideways]

atari4x4 wrote:

:lol: going by the vast number of UFP's you have, i'm guessing there is a surplus of gearboxes too... so i'll just back away slowly from this thread.

I have 8 spare* gearboxes (no BS) and that's just what is sitting around as a spare, not planned to be in a project or currently in a project.

*Not including the 3 ones I still have to go and pick up, though 1 of those will be used in a project.

[atari4x4]

yeah i seen your pile "o" shit collection... seems to have even filled the laundry going by the pics.

[sideways]

atari4x4 wrote:

yeah i seen your pile "o" shit collection... seems to have even filled the laundry going by the pics.

You haven't even seen a quarter of the shit I've got.

Getting to the washing machine involves stepping over 2 engines.

[Highway-Star]

Dr_Snapid wrote:

sideways wrote:

As for the capability of an LJ, I have a very stock LJ81 on half worn bar treads (same size and tread pattern as it rolled out of he factory on!), the only "mod" is a set of super heavy duty standard height springs that basically mean it doesn't flex at all. I also have a Sierra on near new 30" KM2s with a few other mods. The LJ is massively better off road, especially in technical stuff. Comparing my Sierras offroad ability to the LJs is very "you brought a knife to a gun fight".

If this is really true, I'm wondering why. If its underpowered, with no flex, and poor tread, then why is it better thn the sierra? Why do we all go to the trouble of increasing flex, grip and power then?

I'm just going to leave it with get in an LJ and try it. I don't know anyone who has owned an LJ and any other model Suzuki and thinks the other model is a better 4wd than the LJ.

[tanshi]

i put it down to a few things.
chassis flex
narrow spring spacing
shorter and narrower
lighter

alot of it is what you like to drive too. i like rocks and gullys, as do most people i drive with.

if your into hill climbs an lj is not for you.

[JrZook]

tanshi wrote:

if your into hill climbs an lj is not for you.

Soft!! Come do lil red again!!

[JrZook]

sideways wrote:

Also, I'm not convinced the KM2s are really a better off road tyre than the bar treads,

How do they compare on steep sideslopes?

[tanshi]

stuff little red. i'll get this ute finished and im driving big red. follow me then smartie pants

[jamiec]

Well im keeping the LJ and am not going to get the Jimny I have been cleaning up the LJ the amount of oily dirt etc under it is crazy must have got
rid of a couple of kg Well at least it has protected it well

Also just got another LJ and was able to take what i wanted of the other one he had it was super rusty these are all for spare parts
The not so rusty one was a van tho has been choped up as you will see in the pic, it came home with me.Got some good parts 2 x 1lt engines 2 x extractors disk brake front with free wheeling hubs two sets running gear etc.

This was only a short trip of 800 klm



Cheers Jamie

[Cayden]

Where's this tjm snorkel

[jimmy91]

pretty sure he said it was on the jimny

[jonno_racing]

superduki now Owens that jimny now

[sideways]

Why, do you find it harder to roll on wet grass?

[UBZ]

And how does making a car bigger and heavier make it better off road ?

any car will break if you drive it with your foot up it all the time .

[3cyl]

I think they're comparing a stock LJ to a stock widetrack or Jimny on stock tyres and with stock gearing. When Mick first got the mustard LJ50 going we took it out to Ripley and must admit it wasn't too good when you're used to one with lockers and tyres and all. He even tipped it over in the easiest of downhill tracks. Still better OFFROAD than the newer type suzukis. Onroad well they've always beem a bit of a toy and more so compared to modern cars, even Zooks.

[kenn]

I've owned both and wheeled both and I hate to say it but a stock Jimny will out wheel a stock LJ in most situations. The only thing letting the Jimny down is road based tyres. LJ's are just cooler and easier to build.
Oh' and 'real Suzuki's have round lights'.

[3cyl]

Seems to me each model Suzuki brought out had taller low range gearing than the last. LJ50 was barely adequate on 600/16s, LJ80 was taller but engine torque almost made up for it, same with 1 litre, then along came the 1.3, then WT and the smell of burning clutches followed.

[jamiec]

Yes the tjm snorkel was on the jimny i looked at.

Jamie

[jamiec]

Hi just a bit of an update on the LJ80 have been having some great time 4wdriving with it.
Have fitted it with LED headlights the new Hankook AT tyres are great on and off road and the disk brakes are now on the front and they work very well
Also just built up a 5 speed box to fit at a later time.

Cheers Jamie

[JayKay]

Hey mate, just come across your thread. Where abouts in Tassie are you?
I'm originally a west coaster learnt to drive in an LJ80 and have a Jimny which I bought as my first car in 2008

[Hairy]

Wow.......Brisbane toTassie..........what is it? A submarine?

[jamiec]

Quote:

Hey mate, just come across your thread. Where abouts in Tassie are you?
I'm originally a west coaster learnt to drive in an LJ80 and have a Jimny which I bought as my first car in 2008

I am near Rosebery. Where about do live now?

Cheers Jamie