[gregdixon]

Same as a lockright just different way of doing it.

[3cyl]

Yea just an expensive version of a Lockright. Only reason they can sell Lockrights is they're cheap, if you had to pay any where near as much as an air locker they won't sell many!

[weasel]

have a look at this page for DIY diff locks

http://www.suzukiclubuk.co.uk/weldedreardiff.html

[Dr_Snapid]

Digging out an old thread here

DOnt forget when locking to consider the effect it has on your ratios.

Open diff: Each wheel will turn at the same speed as the centre on average OR to put another way, the speed of the 2 wheels added together will ALWAYS equal twice the speed of the centre.

Auto locker: Inner/slower wheel will always match the centre. Outer/faster wheel can overrun thuis speed if on the ground or simply turn at same speed if in the air. So combined ratio may be faster than the centre. (ratio can vary with driving conditions)

Now consider what running different ratios in front compared to rear would do... Rear auto locker and front open diff = varying ratio rear, fixed front = drivetrain strain (at least) or lost traction due to rear trying to push the front faster that it wants to go on corners

Just an observation

[jdk81]

I see your point.

However, the biggest issue is the line each wheel takes through the turn. The front outside will do the most distance, then rear outside, then front inside, then rear inside.
Thus combined through a turn, the front travels slightly more distance.
(I guess theoretically it is posisble they cancel each other out at some point in time).

It has been advised to not have the car in 4wd/centre diff locked on high traction surfaces.

[SierraDan]

jdk81 wrote:

It has been advised to not have the car in 4wd/centre diff locked on high traction surfaces.

Yeah.. If you don't need 4WD then don't use it.

[Dr_Snapid]

Probably not for this thread, shoulda started another. So I have.

Big thankyou though to OP for the informative thread. Lockers are a fascinating bit of engineering (as is the humble differential itself actually)

[Poita]

Can the electric lockers be bought for a 92 SWB vit? I tried finding some a while back but couldn't.

I'm a bit wary with the ARB lockers as 2 of my relatives have them and have had multiple seals fail on them.

[Howzit_Zook]

Does anyone know a good LSD not a locker for a 98 SJ80 coil Sierra.

[TZAR]

Poita wrote:

Can the electric lockers be bought for a 92 SWB vit? I tried finding some a while back but couldn't.

I'm a bit wary with the ARB lockers as 2 of my relatives have them and have had multiple seals fail on them.

Kamdiffs

http://www.kamdiffs.com/vehicles/suzuki/

Howzit_Zook wrote:

Does anyone know a good LSD not a locker for a 98 SJ80 coil Sierra.

No!

Japanese make them but you would be looking around $1800AU fitted.

[Howzit_Zook]

Anyone know about these phantom grip LSD?
http://www.phantomgrip.com/index.php?pa ... t&Itemid=9

[Dr_Snapid]

Howzit_Zook wrote:

Anyone know about these phantom grip LSD?
http://www.phantomgrip.com/index.php?pa ... t&Itemid=9

Looks great although...

1995-1998 SUZUKI JIMMY/SIDEKICK/SIERRA/VITARA (4X4 FRONT AND REA

Specifies only 4 year models and the jimny didnt start till 98, went through to current model virtually unchanged in the diffs. I have never seen a 95, 96 or 97 jimny... I think these years must have been a coily

As far as i know if it fits the aussie delivered 98 jimny it will fit all of them. But i wonder if this place is selling them for jimnys delivered elswhere and with (possibly) different diffs...

[atari4x4]

don't waste your money with the phantomgrip... the only grip it will have is on the money when you take it out of your wallet

[Dr_Snapid]

atari4x4 wrote:

don't waste your money with the phantomgrip... the only grip it will have is on the money when you take it out of your wallet

[sideways]

Dr_Snapid wrote:

Howzit_Zook wrote:

Anyone know about these phantom grip LSD?
http://www.phantomgrip.com/index.php?pa ... t&Itemid=9

Looks great although...

1995-1998 SUZUKI JIMMY/SIDEKICK/SIERRA/VITARA (4X4 FRONT AND REA

Specifies only 4 year models and the jimny didnt start till 98, went through to current model virtually unchanged in the diffs. I have never seen a 95, 96 or 97 jimny... I think these years must have been a coily

A "Sierra" (SJ series Suzuki) is called a Jimny in Japan and other places.

But in short, yeah these guys are full of shit.

[rob45x]

hahaha i love the bloke that welded the pinion to the crown wheel haahah

[jdk81]

Stumbled upon this, whilst searching for something else.

http://www.billjohn.com/articles/drivetrain/kamelocker/kam.htm

Seems like a LOT of work, to install a locker.

[TZAR]

jdk81 wrote:

Stumbled upon this, whilst searching for something else.

http://www.billjohn.com/articles/drivetrain/kamelocker/kam.htm

Seems like a LOT of work, to install a locker.

Pssst look up.

Posted: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:11:20 +0000

Kamdiffs

http://www.kamdiffs.com/vehicles/suzuki/

[Fatzook]

TZAR wrote:

jdk81 wrote:

Stumbled upon this, whilst searching for something else.

http://www.billjohn.com/articles/drivetrain/kamelocker/kam.htm

Seems like a LOT of work, to install a locker.

Pssst look up.

Posted: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:11:20 +0000

Kamdiffs

http://www.kamdiffs.com/vehicles/suzuki/

It IS alot of work.

I have one here Will find its way into Rusho coily soon

[sideways]

I wish KAM would turn their "SJ410 sold out" to "in stock".

I think I'd need a change of pants if I could get locking LSDs for the LJ.

[Fatzook]

sideways wrote:

I wish KAM would turn their "SJ410 sold out" to "in stock".

I think I'd need a change of pants if I could get locking LSDs for the LJ.

Don't hold your breathe. KAM won't even return my emails.

[sideways]

Fatzook wrote:

sideways wrote:

I wish KAM would turn their "SJ410 sold out" to "in stock".

I think I'd need a change of pants if I could get locking LSDs for the LJ.

Don't hold your breathe. KAM won't even return my emails.

Coz you're so special.

But yeah, they've never returned mine either.

I remember seeing a thread on a Niva forum where they got KAM to do a special run of 20 or so lockers for them for quite cheap (was about 650 pounds IIRC) so LJ/1l lockers certainly wouldn't be out of the question!

[pezz]

ox cable locker is another activation method too, but they are suited to dana style diffs
i ran them and they were super reliable

[GeckoXL7]

Interesting subject

Ive been curious about Suzuki's Traction system that if one wheel looses traction it brakes that wheel so the one that has traction gets the power.

Ive seen this happen on my car with a video which i wish i could find doing donuts etc on mud, you could see each wheel pulsing trying to gain traction, and traction i had! i had full control over the car eg could flick it around and then drive forward with little loss of control, was amazed how much control i had.

Also wondered for this reason would i even need a locker? I had one front wheel in the air once and the other in the sand and both where spinning.

[Charlie Brown]

That sounds cool gecko!

So for older vitaras like mine 97 would it be better to put a lock right locker in the back or front diff? I'm leaning towards the front so that it won't be engaged when doing on road driving and will only take effect when I engage 4wd, is this.correct thinking? What would u guys recommend?

Thanks

[GeckoXL7]

Yep in the front you have the correct thinking

If i went for a ARB locker they only make them for the front Diff.

[atari4x4]

Charlie Brown wrote:

That sounds cool gecko!

So for older vitaras like mine 97 would it be better to put a lock right locker in the back or front diff? I'm leaning towards the front so that it won't be engaged when doing on road driving and will only take effect when I engage 4wd, is this.correct thinking? What would u guys recommend?

Thanks

alloy front diff go bang.

GeckoXL7 wrote:

Yep in the front you have the correct thinking

If i went for a ARB locker they only make them for the front Diff.

some of the xl7's run a funny front diff from memory that is different to the vit/gv's

[Charlie Brown]

Oh so the alloy diff is no good with a locker? What can happen, can't take the strain?

[atari4x4]

the alloy housing is easily broken even unlocked, if your not going to build up a steel diff ($$$$) slap it in it's bum.

[Charlie Brown]

Thanks Atari

Hmmmm ok then how would the back go with a lock right? Would it wear out the locker pretty quick? How badly does it effect on road driving?