[got_bar_work]

After this happened on the weekend i decided i need to get some limit straps to stop the shocks toping out and putting the pressure on the strut mounts
Does any one know where is a good place to buy limit straps

[zooky08]

why dont you extend your bumper stops instead?

[larry]

zooky08 wrote:

why dont you extend your bumper stops instead?

cause bumpstops limit compression

[christover1]

Limit straps stop excessive droop, not compression.
Bumpstops extensions stop too much up travel.
Which, up or down actually broke it?
Probably a bit hard to tell.

[SierraDan]

Not sure about vitaras. But my Pajero had bump stops limiting downtravel of the control arm.

[Red89]

Locktup sell them, but surely theres a better way of stopping it.

[christover1]

PS refitting sway bar could stop excessive droop??

[Fatzook]

SierraDan wrote:

Not sure about vitaras. But my Pajero had bump stops limiting downtravel of the control arm.

Pajero have an upper A-arm aswell. Vits only have a lower, and use the strut to hold the Knuckle captive. So no down stroke bump stop.

And AFAIK, 'topping out' a shock is what happens on compression stroke, and 'bottoming out' happens on extension stroke.

[christover1]

Terminology can make communications difficult.
I not sure what the expression means,
so I covered both possibilities.

I can't see clearly what actually broke.

Top strut mount is a huge bit of rubber, so it is a down travel bumpstop.

Has shocker broke or stripped a nut?

[christover1]

On a tangent slightly,
but does a strut mount flip affect proper function,
ie can it pull through, or push through the mount?

[Fatzook]

christover1 wrote:

On a tangent slightly,
but does a strut mount flip affect proper function,
ie can it pull through, or push through the mount?

Not sure, but thats a good point.

IMO the strut top is there to soak up impact, not restrict down travel. It would be there more for occupant comfort.

[Chop]

Wonder if the alteration of that control arm has helped in the failure?

[christover1]

Chop wrote:

Wonder if the alteration of that control arm has helped in the failure?

I didn't notice that. Well spotted.

Too much down travel could increase the movement inwards,
of the lower strut,
straining top mount?

I strain to remember my High School geometry

[Fatzook]

christover1 wrote:

Chop wrote:

Wonder if the alteration of that control arm has helped in the failure?

I didn't notice that. Well spotted.

Too much down travel could increase the movement inwards,
of the lower strut,
straining top mount?

I strain to remember my High School geometry

Me either

the extra down travel will be levering the top of the strut outwards ( towards the tyre).

[atari4x4]

the hagen widening mod would also be putting a bit more stress on the strut mount

you running stock length struts?

[christover1]

Of course,
lower strut mount fixes its lateral movements with 2 bolts,
so yes outwards pressure

I was confused by the inwards movement of the A arm as it goes down.

[SierraDan]

Fatzook wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

Not sure about vitaras. But my Pajero had bump stops limiting downtravel of the control arm.

Pajero have an upper A-arm aswell. Vits only have a lower, and use the strut to hold the Knuckle captive. So no down stroke bump stop.

And AFAIK, 'topping out' a shock is what happens on compression stroke, and 'bottoming out' happens on extension stroke.

Ah okay.. Bugger.

[Fatzook]

SierraDan wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

Not sure about vitaras. But my Pajero had bump stops limiting downtravel of the control arm.

Pajero have an upper A-arm aswell. Vits only have a lower, and use the strut to hold the Knuckle captive. So no down stroke bump stop.

And AFAIK, 'topping out' a shock is what happens on compression stroke, and 'bottoming out' happens on extension stroke.

Ah okay.. Bugger.

Paj setup is shit anyway........

Fucken torsion bar rubbish

[got_bar_work]

The problem was the strut pulled out of the oda strut spacer that screws on top of the strut
Im.going to make new ones that drop the original strut mount down now and add the strap to stop the strut from pulling on the mount
The spacers would have a part to do with it but no more then any othere spacer
It would have been because the spring is bigger then the space it sit in so it is always putting pressure on the top mount trying to extend more thats y the thread has riped out
A limiting strap will stop this from happening again
The strut should only have to deal with the sideways pressure
It realy isnt designed to try and be over extened all the time like any othere shock

[christover1]

Did the thread strip that holds the extension piece to the top of strut shaft?

Could be poor design of strut spcer I thunk?

[got_bar_work]

A strap might be a good idea for anyone running any spacer or lifted spring and heavy tire as the same downward force is still going to be trying to tear ur struts apart which could be y some people r finding they dont last that long

[got_bar_work]

I dont think the spacer is very good grade of steel
I will not be using that type again im going to go to the normal one that goes above the strut mount

[Fatzook]

got_bar_work wrote:

The problem was the strut pulled out of the oda strut spacer that screws on top of the strut

Perfect example of a terrible idea. The piston on a shocky is made from high carbon steel ( and chromium plated I assume). Those screw on spacers are mild steel.

[christover1]

Any modification adds stress somewhere,
its a balancing act for sure.

I agree, I didn't like the look of that type of spacer.
Prices were lower, so did enter my mind.

[SierraDan]

Fatzook wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

Not sure about vitaras. But my Pajero had bump stops limiting downtravel of the control arm.

Pajero have an upper A-arm aswell. Vits only have a lower, and use the strut to hold the Knuckle captive. So no down stroke bump stop.

And AFAIK, 'topping out' a shock is what happens on compression stroke, and 'bottoming out' happens on extension stroke.

Ah okay.. Bugger.

Paj setup is shit anyway........

Fucken torsion bar rubbish

Yeah it was shit haha.
I didn't realise there wasn't a top arm, I didn't realise the spring was where it was either..

[Chop]

Your bottom spring perch has spaced the spring upwards and inboard yeah? So that spring is being squashed in and would have far more downwards pressure than normal. I'd say that is one of the bigger problems.

[atari4x4]

speak to ODA about a warranty claim.

[got_bar_work]

The spring sits in the right spot its the arm that out because of the hole mod
The spacer is there to keep the spring level and stop it bowing which is a problem with the old lifted springs i had before
It also has a bump stop spacer in them to make up for the strut spacer

[MacDaddy]

got_bar_work wrote:

The problem was the strut pulled out of the " ODA strut spacer " that screws on top of the strut
Im.going to make new ones that drop the original strut mount down now and add the strap to stop the strut from pulling on the mount
The spacers would have a part to do with it but no more then any othere spacer
It would have been because the spring is bigger then the space it sit in so it is always putting pressure on the top mount trying to extend more thats y the thread has riped out
A limiting strap will stop this from happening again
The strut should only have to deal with the sideways pressure
It realy isnt designed to try and be over extened all the time like any othere shock

Well theres your problem right there...

atari4x4 wrote:

speak to ODA about a warranty claim.

Haha, good luck with that...