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Choppy

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Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1074 Location: sunshinecoast
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:33 am |
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Hey guys i did a quick search for jimny models and didnt find too much.
Basically im looking for your insight into the strenghts and weakeness of particualr jimny models. particulary interested in the differences bewteen vvt and previous models.
Also from wat i can find most people recomend the 3" toughdog kit with castor correction and triming guards for good operation and travel. any other recomendations?
cheers apprectiate it.
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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easiest to mod are the 98-99 models as they dont have airbags and the transfer is on the floor (4wd and low range lever).
after that they get all high tech, including better engines.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:39 am |
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The VVT's gearbox's are "suppose" to be a weak link, but i have had no issues yet. I am also ruuning the TD 80mm lift, the flex is great, but i am finding the arse end to firm for day to day driving it is fine if you have weight in the back though. I would recommend using a progressive rate coil in the back, if you are not planning on carrying to much weight. Also my caster angle is still out by 1deg with the bushs, so corrected arms would make it drive much better imo.
Trimming the gurads all depends on the to obsessive ones, tyre size? and rim off-set?
On another note, gearing SHOULD be addressed if going bigger than 215's.
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Choppy

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Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1074 Location: sunshinecoast
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Yeah ive been looking at vvt models as a preference due to the better engine. i was wondering how much better vvt's are (i guess zukenutter could shed some light on it).
what mods do airbags restict? bars? BL (wouldnt do BL anyway i figure coil spacers would be a better option) ...?
Thanks, sifted through the 18 pages of ur build moneky its a very nice rig, are you running gears? i have reason to belive jimny gears are X'y
sorry about all the q's but my limited knowledge lies with sierras
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:02 am |
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Thanks mate!
Don't qutoe me on this but after 2000 i think all jimny's had airnags, but you can still BL because of the type of airbags they have.
I'm not running gears yet. There are very few options been, sierra t-case with gears to suit tyre size or trail jimny gears which fopr the vvt jimny they coming in 20%, 27% and 35%. From what Zukenutter has worked out 235's with the 20% reduction gearing will mean 3840 rpm @100khp. The trail jimny gears are around $950 AUD to your door, but the price was 2 months ago now.
What size tyres and rim offset do you plan on running?
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Choppy

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Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1074 Location: sunshinecoast
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same as my sierra now and what u've got, 235/75/15 or perhaps 30x9.5 with f100 std. sunnies. It's all up in the air atm but i want to get some firm ideas. Thanks for the input
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:12 am |
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To run the 30X9.5 the less offset the better (less rubbing), 89_tintop was running them with 2" lift, and had very little rubbing, but no rim offset. I have neg13 and i get some pretty bad scrubbing at full flex, even with the 3" lift, but nothing some trimming won't fix. The 30X9.5 would be much better suited to the 20% reduction gearing.
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smiffkid

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Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:55 pm Posts: 3266 Location: perth wa
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or just buy the older model, do an engine swap, and run the 80mm lift with a body lift and 31s, like mine,
also allows u to fit custom bar work, bigger second battery and lots of other things
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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monkey wrote: To run the 30X9.5 the less offset the better
bah-bow!
Go wider as you go taller or you'll build a POS that wants to fall over. i know itll scrub, but thats whay guard chopping is for.
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Rockhopper
Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1265 Location: Chipping Norton
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engine wise there is no comparison. I went from a 92 Sierra to an 03 JLX Jimny with the m13 motor in it. Still can't figure out if it's VVT or not, because no one has been able to tell me, but compared to the Sierra, it goes likes the powers of piss. Went on a run on the weekend and had no drama's keeping up to the Landcruisers and Patrols on the highway, even up steep hills.
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Choppy

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Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1074 Location: sunshinecoast
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Rockhopper wrote: engine wise there is no comparison. I went from a 92 Sierra to an 03 JLX Jimny with the m13 motor in it. Still can't figure out if it's VVT or not, because no one has been able to tell me, but compared to the Sierra, it goes likes the powers of piss. Went on a run on the weekend and had no drama's keeping up to the Landcruisers and Patrols on the highway, even up steep hills.
 fair enough but currently my sierra goes pretty hard. i was more interested in the difference between vvt and non, jimny models
smiffkid- that sounds like the right way to go but far too much effort
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smiffkid

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Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:55 pm Posts: 3266 Location: perth wa
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well mine has a rear locker, 80mm lift, 50mm body lift, 31s, g16b engine, dual batteries and a winch for under 6k
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BertZook

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Joined: Wed May 26, 2010 3:01 am Posts: 2979 Location: Sunshine Coast
Vehicle: Jimny, 45mm lift, 235's tyres
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alien wrote: easiest to mod are the 98-99 models as they dont have airbags and the transfer is on the floor (4wd and low range lever).
after that they get all high tech, including better engines.
newer models have airbags but up till 04 they still have the transfer lever on the floor, and the old stile of dash an interior, and the ability to fold flat the rear seats individually
from 05 they change to the push buttons things..  but if you re planing to do a sierra transfer swap you'll still have the hole in the floor for the lever  so aint that bad
and if Im not wrong the vvt engines is a matter of the year of the jimny was released, all the newer models are, but dnt remember from which year
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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Sorry, only just saw this. Most has been said but here's some more.
1998 - August 2000 - No airbags, extra glove box, G series motor
August 2000 - 2005 - Air bags, M series motor. 4.09 diff ratios
2005 - current - VVT M Series, push button transfer, dash, crap rear seat, new front bumper with 2 inches less travel. 4.30 diff ratios, lower gearbox ratios and higher transfer ratios.
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Marcus
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 59 Location: Oakleigh Vic.
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 Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:42 pm |
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zuke nutter could i then in theory grab the lower gears from a early jimny gear box to go in my 2010 jim? or is it completely different boxes?
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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Marcus wrote: zuke nutter could i then in theory grab the lower gears from a early jimny gear box to go in my 2010 jim? or is it completely different boxes?
Haha. No! It's the other way around. If you swapped your electric transfer for a transfer from a Non VVT model you'd get a 30% total reduction in gearing. If you also swapped your diff centres you'd bring it back to about 25% total reduction.
On the flip side, somebody with an early Jimny would get about a 25% total reduction by swapping in a VVT gearbox.
Either way would require a modified jack shaft (the shaft between the gearbox and transfer) as the gearbox output splines are different.
I found all this out when I tried to run my Non VVT transfer (which had 24% reduction gears fitted) in my VVT Jimny. End result was about 50% reduction of high and low range. Top speed at 5000 rpm was 90km/h.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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What diff centers are lower the older jimny or the newer model?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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monkey wrote: What diff centers are lower the older jimny or the newer model?
newer.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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Fatzook wrote: monkey wrote: What diff centers are lower the older jimny or the newer model? newer.
 That stuffs that idea
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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monkey wrote: Fatzook wrote: monkey wrote: What diff centers are lower the older jimny or the newer model? newer.  That stuffs that idea
Haha, yeah. Swap in the earlier Tcase and fit some 33s
May need some trimming.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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zukenutter wrote: monkey wrote: Fatzook wrote: monkey wrote: What diff centers are lower the older jimny or the newer model? newer.  That stuffs that idea Haha, yeah. Swap in the earlier Tcase and fit some 33s May need some trimming.
Don't give me ideas mr nutter
http://www.bigjimny.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=75 
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89_tintop

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Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 3159 Location: gold coast
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what diff ratios were in the older ones with the G series engine??
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BertZook

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Joined: Wed May 26, 2010 3:01 am Posts: 2979 Location: Sunshine Coast
Vehicle: Jimny, 45mm lift, 235's tyres
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monkey wrote: zukenutter wrote: monkey wrote: Fatzook wrote: monkey wrote: What diff centers are lower the older jimny or the newer model? newer.  That stuffs that idea Haha, yeah. Swap in the earlier Tcase and fit some 33s May need some trimming. Don't give me ideas mr nutter http://www.bigjimny.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=75 
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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89_tintop wrote: what diff ratios were in the older ones with the G series engine??
I think they also have the 4.09 but not sure.
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