[ajsr]

one of the biggest problem with retrofit hid is the bulb is not in the same place as it has when they were halogen, therefore the focalpoint of the light is not the same.
now on some lights this is fine and because hid is so much brighter you dont care but on others its a fucking pain in the arse as light is going everywhere but where you really want it (ie out the front)
how do I know
I have retro fit hid into
narva 175's
kc daylighter copies
ipf rectangles
hella rallye 1000's
and Im currently running nite stalker 200's with factory hids
the hella and ipf,s were the only ones that I belive had even close to the correct light projection, the rest were really scattered out the front sides EVERYWHERE they plain sucked and were better with 100watt halogens in them.

the factory fits most of the time in the more expensive lights are set up for the correct spreads.
IMO hid is not a great thing in spots anyway as the time they take to properly warm up is more of a pain than anything ,with spots you want instant light particularly if like me you usxe them on roads where you are dipping your lights consantly.
I like them better in the headlights(yes I know its not legal) and they are fine if you aim them properly

[royce]

Shep you should try the other globes in the lightforce, makes em a heap better

the reason teh 4000's had a black hole would of been the light coming from the HID bulb being in the wrong spot to focus, one of the reasons HID conversions in lights are illegal

[Fatzook]

bakerboy wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

bakerboy wrote:

well i run narva extremes retro fitted with hid's, only slightly dearer than buying chinese spotties and you get a pretty damn tough light that will cop abuse

But where do the HID kits come from?

I had chinese HID in my ute, and not the cheap ones either. Bulb failed after 6 months.

Atleast with a bespoke housing the HID bulb may have a better chance of resisting damage from vibration etc.

So the hid's come from china, the bulk of shit today comes from china, I still don't see your point about putting hid's in that then makes them comparable to poor quality lights (not globes)? What do you run?

I'm just saying that buying a good brand light then fitting cheap chinese HID is akin to buy a purpose built chinese HID light. Atleast with the factory HID they have been able to set the depth of the bulb in the housing and adjust the parabolic curve of the reflector to suit the HID bulb.

The Chinese retro fit kits are just a game of russian roulette really. Maybe you got lucky and your setup actually works

[shep]

Hotshot993 wrote:

With the ones you said where best, the strikeforce 170, was that just the striker or the striker HID?

halogen globe tried both osrem xenoshot's (that will be spelt wrong )
and lightforce 100w standard's i couldn't see the difference.

the other shitty thing with HID's and blueish globes in general is that they
don't reflect off animal eyes as well as good old halogen lights and i have lights so i can see animals.

with the 170 and 240 lightforces with clear spot/spread filters you can easily see cows 1500 meters in front of ya and 75 meters either side of the road.

[shep]

royce wrote:

Shep you should try the other globes in the lightforce, makes em a heap better

the reason teh 4000's had a black hole would of been the light coming from the HID bulb being in the wrong spot to focus, one of the reasons HID conversions in lights are illegal

what other globes? they have that weird 2 pin thing going on which limits ya choices doesn't it?

[royce]

yeah the xenophots, they reckon they are brighter cause of the difference in element direction

I reckon they are better, maybe the lack of alcohol is effecting your vision

[shep]

royce wrote:

yeah the xenophots, they reckon they are brighter cause of the difference in element direction

I reckon they are better, maybe the lack of alcohol is effecting your vision

i am running of memory as well, jas bought my lightforces of me 12 months ago.
dont really need lights here cos ya cant drive fast although i did clean up 2 pigs a couple of weeks ago.

[royce]

how'd they taste and how many trees did you need to knock down to get to em?

[shep]

they were on the road and i turned them into mush. it turns out that toyota's
turn things into mush when ya hit them at 60kph.

has anybody tried the new lightforce genesis lights?

[royce]

yeah, the spread ones do jsut that, havent tried the spot ones, covers are easy to knock off though, just ram them into a tree at about 30km/hr, you can bent the tabs back into shape though and stick em back on

[sirbob]

What are peoples thoughts on HID's Vs. halogens on a car with standard headlights?

From some of my reading, some people complain that the change in light intensity when switching from HID back to standard headlamps is excessive? Ie, you feel like your driving blind when you dim the spotties due to an oncoming car?

I can image that there is problems with the different colours of light too? Ie, HID's very white, vs. yellow standard headlamps?

any thoughts or experiances?

[ajsr]

sirbob wrote:

What are peoples thoughts on HID's Vs. halogens on a car with standard headlights?

From some of my reading, some people complain that the change in light intensity when switching from HID back to standard headlamps is excessive? Ie, you feel like your driving blind when you dim the spotties due to an oncoming car?

I can image that there is problems with the different colours of light too? Ie, HID's very white, vs. yellow standard headlamps?

any thoughts or experiances?

once up to temperature a decent set of hid spots is pretty hard to beat,I like 5000k temp range as its a little closer to halogen in color and not quite as hard on the eyes.
yes its a big change when you dip your lights but not anything your eyes cant deal with.
where I think hid is a let down is when you have had to dip them for a while they still take a while to get back to full output ,not as long as when totally cold but still a second or two .
Im going back to halogen spots on hella raye 4000's after Xmass and putting hids in the headlights I think this combo works better

[Fatzook]

ajsr wrote:

Im going back to halogen spots on hella raye 4000's after Xmass and putting hids in the headlights I think this combo works better

I'm going the other way. Cops know what they are, they know they are illegal, and they can pick em a mile away. I've been pulled over twice in the ute for having them, and I was anal about having them set to correct height. So I'm going 90/130 H4's and the spotties will be HID. Also running a 600mm LED light bar for that instant close range light.

[shep]

hay fats have ya found the light bar yet? if so where and how much.

[Fatzook]

shep wrote:

hay fats have ya found the light bar yet? if so where and how much.

Yeah I imported some to sell, but was not impressed with the light output vs Cost, so shit canned it.

Even the desert racing blokes in the states are starting to go back to HID spots and the like. The LED just doesn't have the range.

[matty87]

Fatzook wrote:

bakerboy wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

bakerboy wrote:

well i run narva extremes retro fitted with hid's, only slightly dearer than buying chinese spotties and you get a pretty damn tough light that will cop abuse

But where do the HID kits come from?

I had chinese HID in my ute, and not the cheap ones either. Bulb failed after 6 months.

Atleast with a bespoke housing the HID bulb may have a better chance of resisting damage from vibration etc.

So the hid's come from china, the bulk of shit today comes from china, I still don't see your point about putting hid's in that then makes them comparable to poor quality lights (not globes)? What do you run?

I'm just saying that buying a good brand light then fitting cheap chinese HID is akin to buy a purpose built chinese HID light. Atleast with the factory HID they have been able to set the depth of the bulb in the housing and adjust the parabolic curve of the reflector to suit the HID bulb.

The Chinese retro fit kits are just a game of russian roulette really. Maybe you got lucky and your setup actually works

the lightforce factory hid lights have the same reflectors as the halogens the xgt is the exact same reflector and housing.

as for retrofitting its really not that hard to fit and test then alter the depth of the globe in the housing.

the xgts that i retrofitted have a couple of machined spacers in them that make the lights focused the same as with the halogen bulbs its easy to do it right just takes a bit of trial and error.

[Fatzook]

matty87 wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

bakerboy wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

bakerboy wrote:

well i run narva extremes retro fitted with hid's, only slightly dearer than buying chinese spotties and you get a pretty damn tough light that will cop abuse

But where do the HID kits come from?

I had chinese HID in my ute, and not the cheap ones either. Bulb failed after 6 months.

Atleast with a bespoke housing the HID bulb may have a better chance of resisting damage from vibration etc.

So the hid's come from china, the bulk of shit today comes from china, I still don't see your point about putting hid's in that then makes them comparable to poor quality lights (not globes)? What do you run?

I'm just saying that buying a good brand light then fitting cheap chinese HID is akin to buy a purpose built chinese HID light. Atleast with the factory HID they have been able to set the depth of the bulb in the housing and adjust the parabolic curve of the reflector to suit the HID bulb.

The Chinese retro fit kits are just a game of russian roulette really. Maybe you got lucky and your setup actually works

the lightforce factory hid lights have the same reflectors as the halogens the xgt is the exact same reflector and housing.

as for retrofitting its really not that hard to fit and test then alter the depth of the globe in the housing.

the xgts that i retrofitted have a couple of machined spacers in them that make the lights focused the same as with the halogen bulbs its easy to do it right just takes a bit of trial and error.

yeah I know all that. I have converted lightforce to HID using aftermarket kits, and I had to machine a spacer up. Most people don't though. And the results speak for themselves.

[bakerboy]

I guess I did get lucky with mine, reflections at 1k, useable light at 700m will try the spacer idea though

[ajsr]

bakerboy wrote:

I guess I did get lucky with mine, reflections at 1k, useable light at 700m will try the spacer idea though

a good 55watt hid spotlight will go a lot futher than 1km

[bakerboy]

Only got 35watt kit

[Dale]

I am thinking of buying some LEDs for some short distance light when on rough/slow terrain. I also want something waterproof. Has anyone tried these?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/27-WATT-LED-WORK ... 1c1a175431

Thanks
Dale

[Rusho]

atari4x4 wrote:

X2 I ran the 200mm Niteslakers on my old pootrol & they're a great budget light. Put a decent globe in them & give them a good power supply & you'll be happy.

Pootrol to Vagtara

[atari4x4]

Rusho wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

X2 I ran the 200mm Niteslakers on my old pootrol & they're a great budget light. Put a decent globe in them & give them a good power supply & you'll be happy.

Pootrol to Vagtara

coily driver, nuff said

[Rusho]

atari4x4 wrote:

Rusho wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

X2 I ran the 200mm Niteslakers on my old pootrol & they're a great budget light. Put a decent globe in them & give them a good power supply & you'll be happy.

Pootrol to Vagtara

coily driver, nuff said

[Poita]

Rather than start a new thread, I have been offered a new Nite Stalker 200 HID Combo Kit (35w 6000k) for $395.

What are people's experiences with these? I would have preferred 55W but not sure whether I really need it...

I am also looking at TSOR's 7" 35W HID spotties, any feedback on these?

[Mrhb2u]

I'd be interested to here some feedback about TSOR's HID's also...

I need some spotlights but after reading this thread I'm still not sure what is the best option. I don't do a lot of night driving so they would really only be used for the occasional night off road/beach trips..

[Fatzook]

Mrhb2u wrote:

I'd be interested to here some feedback about TSOR's HID's also...

I need some spotlights but after reading this thread I'm still not sure what is the best option. I don't do a lot of night driving so they would really only be used for the occasional night off road/beach trips..

I find them quite usefull at 100kph. But they are all spreads. The spot is such a tight group, that its really not much good.

IF!!! You can afford some lightforce HID's, then buy them. Ultimately it will be your budget that decides how much light you end up with.

[Mrhb2u]

Thanks mate.

The Lightforce HID's are out of my price range more looking for something up to $300.

[Poita]

Mrhb2u wrote:

Thanks mate.

The Lightforce HID's are out of my price range more looking for something up to $300.

Not sure if I am allowed ebay links in here but I stumbled across these this morning:
55W HID 7" Combo

[Mrhb2u]

Thanks Poita. Are these the same/similar as yours FatZook?