[SuziBlu]

ahh man, my search function is brokded bad.

I went there, punched in as you did, and was told, no matching part numbers, lol, there ya go.

Bloody beaut day, why are we buggerizin round on the net instead of being out there.

My excuse, blasted blown head gasket, hope it gets here in the morning.

Royce, doesn't every oil change happen at 5,000k an a new filter. I don't understand this 2 for one crap, why shower and put on dirty cloths.

[royce]

the vits lucky to get done every 10k, but thats why I put $60 worth of oil in each time

such is the dilema of owning a car you only ever have to open the bonnet to top up the washer bottle

[atari4x4]

i dont have a front diff, that's my excuse.....

i've only ever done oil & filter @ 5000kms & use ryco filters & my motor is fine.... should i buy a roll of al-foil to construct a hat as it's not the "right" fitler.

i bet mac bear can't post without putting at least 2 smileys at the end of his next post

[SuziBlu]

royce wrote:

the vits lucky to get done every 10k, but thats why I put $60 worth of oil in each time

such is the dilema of owning a car you only ever have to open the bonnet to top up the washer bottle

I use Mobil 1, oil n filter every 5,000k. Cheap as I recon, gets me there, most importantly, gets me back.

[TheOtherLeft]

SuziBlu wrote:

Seeing whats going on here, I went to the Ryco site to where you ask for the correct filter and punched in Suzuki and GV ( Grand Vitara) the answer. No matching part numbers.

You suck at the Internet

[crazynic]

Like I said Z172....

Why the f*&k would ryco have a listing if its not applicable?

If you are that worried about it not being the "right" filter why don't you run a genuine filter?

Who told you a Z172 filter is no good?

[96coily]

Are you sure you're supposed to change the oil ??
I thought you just topped it up as it leaked away !!

[steak_knife]

96coily wrote:

Are you sure you're supposed to change the oil ??
I thought you just topped it up as it leaked away !!

This is a Suzuki site, not British 4X4

[MacDaddy]

crazynic wrote:

Like I said Z172....

Why the f*&k would ryco have a listing if its not applicable?

If you are that worried about it not being the "right" filter why don't you run a genuine filter?

Who told you a Z172 filter is no good?

While the Ryco links did supply some info, there was nothing stated about a non-return valve, can you supply the relevant info ?

I have already stated that i use Suzuki Genuine Oil filters, and i dont mind paying the extra for them every 5000km's... having the best oil filter, especially for the GV engine, (with a bloody long timing chain that is very expensive to change), is more important to me !

I have used Ryco Air, Fuel, and Oil filters in every other car i have owned, they are Good, they may be good for every other car and Zook, but not necessarily the best for the GV... so... you continue using Ryco, your choice, and i will use Genuine, my choice... so please respect my choice, and dont put my choice down !

When i had my Major service done at Suzistore, they told me it had the wrong oil filter on it !

[sleeperzook]

I've run EVERY SINGLE off the shelf brand of oil I could get my hands on. Penrite, Mobil, Castrol, Shell......... Anything available at the everyday sprints or supercheap etc, mineral and semi syn and my turbo GTi killed them all. I could put it hard up through the gears twice and lose 15PSI pressure, never to be seen again. I installed oil coolers, increased my drain sizes and in the end the only oil I've found that can cope with the abuse (more likely heat generated in my turbo) is ULX. I run 10w40. It's a mineral based oil with some wizz bang stabilisers and I reckon its trick. $60/4L doesnt make it much more expensive than normal stuff and I found my donk likes mineral better.

[MacDaddy]

I found Nulon and Valvoline SemiSynth to be Good mid price Oils... but i see Penrite do a plus 10 Oil now at $60, the 10W 50 looks good with plenty of temp range, has anybody used it and how did they find it ?

[royce]

why are you using a $40 filter then looking at those bottom grade oils

$60 is getting into motul and mobil 1 territory, thems man oils

[MacDaddy]

royce wrote:

why are you using a $40 filter then looking at those bottom grade oils

$60 is getting into motul and mobil 1 territory, thems man oils

I have used Valvoline or Nulon in all my other cars/Zooks, and never had a problem with them..

Havnt changed the oil in the GV myself yet, and i am not able too, not because i dont know how to do it, but because my GV is under a 12 month Warranty, so i have to get it done by a Registered Auto Mechanic, hence the major service at Suzistore... i am pretty sure they said they used a Valvoline 15W 40 SemiSynth... but i did mention i would like to have a 10W 40 put in next time, and they said no problem...

When i am able to do my own oil changes, i will seriously think about the Penrite 10W 50, and if it prolongs the life of my engine better than other oils, even better !

One thing i did notice with the Genuine Oil Filter, those couple of sec's of timing chain rattle on cold start that i got with the wrong oil filter, have gone with the right oil filter...

[fordem]

MacBear wrote:

One thing i did notice with the Genuine Oil Filter, those couple of sec's of timing chain rattle on cold start that i got with the wrong oil filter, have gone with the right oil filter...

This is the reason I use the Suzuki filter.

[royce]

fordem wrote:

MacBear wrote:

One thing i did notice with the Genuine Oil Filter, those couple of sec's of timing chain rattle on cold start that i got with the wrong oil filter, have gone with the right oil filter...

This is the reason I use the Suzuki filter.

why do you feel it solves the problem? do you think the genuine filter is able to fill up faster? reckon youll find its the fresh oil building pressure faster

[fordem]

royce wrote:

why do you feel it solves the problem? do you think the genuine filter is able to fill up faster? reckon youll find its the fresh oil building pressure faster

If you feel that way - perhaps you'd care to explain why previous oil changes using a Purolator filter didn't have the same effect

Think of this as an observation ...

- fresh oil with new purolator oil filter no difference in timing chain rattle
- fresh oil with new Suzuki oil filter, timing chain rattle gone.

In my mind there is a direct correlation between the two - but - feel free to explain why you think there isn't - I'm always willing to listen, albiet not necessarily to agree.

[zukmeista]

steak_knife wrote:

zukmeista wrote:

Slightly off-topic I know, but the other day when I was topping up the oil I noticed quite a bit of gunk under the rocker cover. What is the best way to get rid of this?

Oil flush...

What and where?

[TheOtherLeft]

fordem wrote:

royce wrote:

why do you feel it solves the problem? do you think the genuine filter is able to fill up faster? reckon youll find its the fresh oil building pressure faster

If you feel that way - perhaps you'd care to explain why previous oil changes using a Purolator filter didn't have the same effect

Think of this as an observation ...

- fresh oil with new purolator oil filter no difference in timing chain rattle
- fresh oil with new Suzuki oil filter, timing chain rattle gone.

In my mind there is a direct correlation between the two - but - feel free to explain why you think there isn't - I'm always willing to listen, albiet not necessarily to agree.

I thought Purolator filters were crap.

IME the type/grade of oil was more important then filter choice in preventing start up rattle. I use Ryco filters and only had problems at start up when using the wrong grade of oil or didn't do engine flushes when changing oil.

[BJPK]

i generally use genuine filters on the sierra as they are cheaper than ryco.

[MacDaddy]

royce wrote:

fordem wrote:

MacBear wrote:

One thing i did notice with the Genuine Oil Filter, those couple of sec's of timing chain rattle on cold start that i got with the wrong oil filter, have gone with the right oil filter...

This is the reason I use the Suzuki filter.

why do you feel it solves the problem? do you think the genuine filter is able to fill up faster? reckon youll find its the fresh oil building pressure faster

To be honest i didnt know i had a problem till Suzistore told me... i thought all Oil Filters, besides some having better filtering properties, were all very similar... its only since i had the Genuine filter put on that i am looking closer at Oil filters... i dont know if this matters at all... but one thing i did notice between Ryco and Genuine, is that the Ryco steel mesh inside, has very big holes in it, and the Genuine has alot smaller holes in the steel mesh, maybe this has some effect with oil flow amounts/oil pressure, i dont know... this is a learning curve for me... but i can say, one of the effects of having a Genuine filter, is no timing chain rattle on cold start...

[steak_knife]

zukmeista wrote:

steak_knife wrote:

zukmeista wrote:

Slightly off-topic I know, but the other day when I was topping up the oil I noticed quite a bit of gunk under the rocker cover. What is the best way to get rid of this?

Oil flush...

What and where?

Oil flush, in your eng..
http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Engine_Oil_Flush/

come's with instruction's on the back O the botbot!!

[MacDaddy]

steak_knife wrote:

zukmeista wrote:

steak_knife wrote:

zukmeista wrote:

Slightly off-topic I know, but the other day when I was topping up the oil I noticed quite a bit of gunk under the rocker cover. What is the best way to get rid of this?

Oil flush...

What and where?

Oil flush, in your eng..
http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Engine_Oil_Flush/

come's with instruction's on the back O the botbot!!

Yep, its good stuff, used it in my Vit when i had it, you would be surprised at the thick sticky black shit that comes out of the engine when you first use it... new oil stays cleaner for much longer afterwards !

[fordem]

MacBear wrote:

To be honest i didnt know i had a problem till Suzistore told me... i thought all Oil Filters, besides some having better filtering properties, were all very similar... its only since i had the Genuine filter put on that i am looking closer at Oil filters... i dont know if this matters at all... but one thing i did notice between Ryco and Genuine, is that the Ryco steel mesh inside, has very big holes in it, and the Genuine has alot smaller holes in the steel mesh, maybe this has some effect with oil flow amounts/oil pressure, i dont know... this is a learning curve for me... but i can say, one of the effects of having a Genuine filter, is no timing chain rattle on cold start...

The next time you get the chance look through the "outer" holes on the SGP filter - the one I'm using is 16510-61A30 - and a red rubber ring is visible, which I assume is a part of the non-return valve - the Purolator doesn't have it.

And - like you say - one of the effects of using the SGP filter is no timing chain rattle at start up.

[crazynic]

MacBear wrote:

crazynic wrote:

Like I said Z172....

Why the f*&k would ryco have a listing if its not applicable?

If you are that worried about it not being the "right" filter why don't you run a genuine filter?

Who told you a Z172 filter is no good?

While the Ryco links did supply some info, there was nothing stated about a non-return valve, can you supply the relevant info ?

I have already stated that i use Suzuki Genuine Oil filters, and i dont mind paying the extra for them every 5000km's... having the best oil filter, especially for the GV engine, (with a bloody long timing chain that is very expensive to change), is more important to me !

I have used Ryco Air, Fuel, and Oil filters in every other car i have owned, they are Good, they may be good for every other car and Zook, but not necessarily the best for the GV... so... you continue using Ryco, your choice, and i will use Genuine, my choice... so please respect my choice, and dont put my choice down !

When i had my Major service done at Suzistore, they told me it had the wrong oil filter on it !

Ok for a start I totally respect you choice to run a genuine filter if it makes you more comfortable good.....

My issue is that you are so certain that ryco's recommended filter (Z172) for an H25A is incorrect, not suitable, or not designed properly for this application.

I don't have any specific technical information regarding this matter but I do have a Z172 filter new in box that advertises the fact it features an anti-drain back valve...

I think the store just wants to sell you a genuine filter

[MacDaddy]

crazynic wrote:

MacBear wrote:

crazynic wrote:

Like I said Z172....

Why the f*&k would ryco have a listing if its not applicable?

If you are that worried about it not being the "right" filter why don't you run a genuine filter?

Who told you a Z172 filter is no good?

While the Ryco links did supply some info, there was nothing stated about a non-return valve, can you supply the relevant info ?

I have already stated that i use Suzuki Genuine Oil filters, and i dont mind paying the extra for them every 5000km's... having the best oil filter, especially for the GV engine, (with a bloody long timing chain that is very expensive to change), is more important to me !

I have used Ryco Air, Fuel, and Oil filters in every other car i have owned, they are Good, they may be good for every other car and Zook, but not necessarily the best for the GV... so... you continue using Ryco, your choice, and i will use Genuine, my choice... so please respect my choice, and dont put my choice down !

When i had my Major service done at Suzistore, they told me it had the wrong oil filter on it !

Ok for a start I totally respect you choice to run a genuine filter if it makes you more comfortable good.....

My issue is that you are so certain that ryco's recommended filter (Z172) for an H25A is incorrect, not suitable, or not designed properly for this application.

I don't have any specific technical information regarding this matter but I do have a Z172 filter new in box that advertises the fact it features an anti-drain back valve...

I think the store just wants to sell you a genuine filter

Ok... Cool ! peaceout
Yes it does give me peace of mind, that i am using the best Oil filter for my GV...
All i know is that Ryco are not the best oil filter for my GV... and until i see some info/facts to say Ryco are just as good for my GV, i will stick to Genuine... for now...
Nope... Suzistore arnt like that... if they were, i wouldnt keep going back there...

[royce]

You crack me up sometimes mac, wheres your proof the genuine filter is better than a ryco?

hmm company that builds cars arent going to manufacture the filter themselves and would be looking for the cheapest way out to keep the car costs down, vs a company whos whole business is filters

[MacDaddy]

royce wrote:

You crack me up sometimes mac, wheres your proof the genuine filter is better than a ryco?

hmm company that builds cars arent going to manufacture the filter themselves and would be looking for the cheapest way out to keep the car costs down, vs a company whos whole business is filters

Well cracking you up is better than giving you the shits

The only real proof i have, is that i have quieter timing chain now... i kinda guess i am taking what the Suzuki Mechanics say about them on faith... but yeah, the genuine really seems to work better...

I actually " heard " something interesting about the Suzuki Motor Company, from the local Suzuki Dealership, not sure how accurate it is, maybe someone can clarify it... Suzuki are the only motor company that are 100% Japanese !
Would be great if they were wonder if Suzuki manufacture all, or most of their own parts as well... the Japanese are well known for cheap reliable electronics/cars, and other stuff... can anybody in the know, clarify this ?

[Chop]

Well my understanding is that suzuki owns suzuki, but they arent all made in japan

Chop

[royce]

MacBear wrote:

royce wrote:

You crack me up sometimes mac, wheres your proof the genuine filter is better than a ryco?

hmm company that builds cars arent going to manufacture the filter themselves and would be looking for the cheapest way out to keep the car costs down, vs a company whos whole business is filters

Well cracking you up is better than giving you the shits

The only real proof i have, is that i have quieter timing chain now... i kinda guess i am taking what the Suzuki Mechanics say about them on faith... but yeah, the genuine really seems to work better...

I actually " heard " something interesting about the Suzuki Motor Company, from the local Suzuki Dealership, not sure how accurate it is, maybe someone can clarify it... Suzuki are the only motor company that are 100% Japanese !
Would be great if they were wonder if Suzuki manufacture all, or most of their own parts as well... the Japanese are well known for cheap reliable electronics/cars, and other stuff... can anybody in the know, clarify this ?

timing chain is hydraulic tensioner isnt it? better or cleaner oil = more pressure = quiet
not quite 100% suzuki and most certainly not 100% Japanese, youll probably find that Maruti make a lot more parts than you would think

http://www.toomanycars.info/CarRelation ... l#autolist

[steak_knife]

Chop wrote:

Well my understanding is that suzuki owns suzuki, but they arent all made in japan

Chop

India ..suzuki Alto's..

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