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Author:  nick.gooding [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:53 pm ]
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i too my doors off on the weekend so i can spray my hindges, but didnt have eoguh time to put them on his morning, so im driving around with no doors on :?

was wondering if its illegal.

thanks
Author:  brendan [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:58 pm ]
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i think as long as you got mirrors its fine. i said i think so dont blame me for anything
Author:  nick.gooding [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:59 pm ]
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oh yeah shit, my mirrors haha ok thanks mate
Author:  lump_a_charcoal [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:28 pm ]
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Until coilies, sieras didn't have side intrusion bars, therefore not having a door makes no difference legally.
You still need rear view mirrors though, plus having no doors makes you a cop magnet anyway. There is no guarantee that they will understand that you can be doorless...
Author:  royce [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:59 pm ]
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by the crap logic of no side intrusion bars my 68 mini is allowed to be driven with no doors as well?

all that means is you dont need doors with side intrucion bars in them
Author:  nick.gooding [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:03 pm ]
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yeah im expecting some hassels from cops. i put a 2inch body lift in on the weekend so my frnt bar is off too.
maybe a should just put them on for around town.

should be able to buy some hinges that slide or pull off.

i have heard its illigal to have to front bar too???
thanks for the help
Author:  brendan [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:17 pm ]
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what are side intrusion bars
Author:  shep [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:21 pm ]
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brendan wrote:
what are side intrusion bars


bars that stop intrusion through the side. :wink:
Author:  Scrawny [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:32 pm ]
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royce wrote:
by the crap logic of no side intrusion bars my 68 mini is allowed to be driven with no doors as well?


Do it Royce!! That'd look pretty cool!!
Author:  lump_a_charcoal [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:27 pm ]
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royce wrote:
by the crap logic of no side intrusion bars my 68 mini is allowed to be driven with no doors as well?

all that means is you dont need doors with side intrucion bars in them


I am quoting the RTA dude who I talked to, it may be different in QLD...
Author:  steak_knife [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:32 pm ]
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Where is Bonogin anyway? do you have police?
Author:  Nik [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:51 am ]
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Techanicaly you can run doorless as there was no side intrusion bars.
But last week I spoke to a guy high up in engineering of modded vehicles in NSW and he said yes you legaly can but...
You COULD be booked under some clause that states you cannot make a vehicle more unsafe than it origanaly was.
So he suggest just make up half doors.
I think that running doorless on a modded zuk may not be a good idea :cry: they may not be able to get you for it but what else could they get you for..
Nik
Author:  jimbo_jones [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:36 am ]
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Im with you nik not really a good idea
Author:  royce [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:27 am ]
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how are sierras with no intrusion bars any different to the thousands of other cars without intrusion bars?

Are you telling these people the doors are held on by BOLTS!!!! they dont just lift off?

likewise how about the ADR for burst proof door latches? if you dont have to have doors you still have to have the latches :wink:
Author:  steak_knife [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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nick.gooding wrote:
i too my doors off on the weekend so i can spray my hindges, but didnt have eoguh time to put them on his morning, so im driving around with no doors on :?

was wondering if its illegal.

thanks



Did you still try to wind up the window?? I got elc window`s & i still reach for the handle!!
Author:  nick.gooding [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:13 pm ]
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steknig wrote:
Where is Bonogin anyway? do you have police?


out the back of bongin and we don't have cops there but i drive into town every day.

and nah i don't try to wind my windors up but i do try rest my arm on the door haha. at least i can do really good shoulder checks and i wont lock my keys in the car any more haha.
Author:  steak_knife [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:25 pm ]
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I Googled Bongin & all i got was BONG`s!! To smoke green tobacco with.

still lost, you live where??
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:24 pm ]
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I've driven plenty of Km's with no doors, and I have had conversations with police about it.

Yes, AFAIK it is legal.

A) because there's no ADR relating to door design until intrusion bars were required.

B) because the external hinges imply the doors were designed to be removed.

C)Because there was no fundamental change in ADR between sierras between the LJ80 (available with canvas doors) and mini moke (available with no doors) up until the introduction of intrusion bars.

A club member in victoria had discussions with Canberra in relation to this issue and it's a fact - so long as mirrors are fitted there's no reason why you can't run doorless, likewise, it's 100% legal to run with the windscreen folded.

However, I'm not a huge fan of no doors. It seems to pull more dust into the car, I've frequently scratched my legs on blackberries etc, and obviously you're not slowing down the speed mud comes in the car at all.

Junk seems to fall out the car all the time too.

My preference is 1/2 doors. I've gutted the internals of them and run a 32NB steampipe along the top of the cut. I ended up with masses of interior storage, very strong doors, a roomier cab, and some amount of water sealing.

Steve.
Author:  nick.gooding [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:21 pm ]
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steknig wrote:
I Googled Bongin & all i got was BONG`s!! To smoke green tobacco with.

still lost, you live where??


haha where do you get time for this

type in Bonogin, QLD
thats my street and place
iv typed it in beofre works on google streets to. good way to find tracks from mine. :D
Author:  royce [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:49 pm ]
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OK I have dug a bit further

Applicable ADR's, ADR 2, burst proof door latch, ADR 29, side intrusion.

Category MC (off road passenger vehicles) are what sierras are classed as

ADR 29, applicable after JUL 1997
ADR 2 and ADR 2/00, applicable 1st June 1971

So if it had doors it has to comply to ADR 2, take the doors off it no longer complies, if it never had doors it didnt have to comply

So there :finger:

Vitaras, Landcruisers, Patrols, all same category so all as likely as each other to be allowed to run without doors, seriously do you think just cause the hinges are on the outside of a car that it makes it more special than another one? why do the hinges have sealing gunk on em and thread locked fasteners holding them on?
Author:  Damo [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:59 pm ]
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royce wrote:
OK I have dug a bit further

Applicable ADR's, ADR 2, burst proof door latch, ADR 29, side intrusion.

Category MC (off road passenger vehicles) are what sierras are classed as

ADR 29, applicable after JUL 1997
ADR 2 and ADR 2/00, applicable 1st June 1971

So if it had doors it has to comply to ADR 2, take the doors off it no longer complies, if it never had doors it didnt have to comply

So there :finger:

Vitaras, Landcruisers, Patrols, all same category so all as likely as each other to be allowed to run without doors, seriously do you think just cause the hinges are on the outside of a car that it makes it more special than another one? why do the hinges have sealing gunk on em and thread locked fasteners holding them on?


Direct the officer to the burst proof latch on the rear door :lol:
Author:  steak_knife [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:26 pm ]
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nick.gooding wrote:
steknig wrote:
I Googled Bongin & all i got was BONG`s!! To smoke green tobacco with.

still lost, you live where??


haha where do you get time for this

type in , Bonogin
thats my street and place
iv typed it in beofre works on google streets to. good way to find tracks from mine. :D


If I were you I`d edit out your address, I was wondering where in aus you lived, don`t need the street number, as for the time?? I`m single & own a grand Vitara, I don`t have to work on it every day :D :wink:
Author:  lump_a_charcoal [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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Damo wrote:
royce wrote:
OK I have dug a bit further

Applicable ADR's, ADR 2, burst proof door latch, ADR 29, side intrusion.

Category MC (off road passenger vehicles) are what sierras are classed as

ADR 29, applicable after JUL 1997
ADR 2 and ADR 2/00, applicable 1st June 1971

So if it had doors it has to comply to ADR 2, take the doors off it no longer complies, if it never had doors it didnt have to comply

So there :finger:

Vitaras, Landcruisers, Patrols, all same category so all as likely as each other to be allowed to run without doors, seriously do you think just cause the hinges are on the outside of a car that it makes it more special than another one? why do the hinges have sealing gunk on em and thread locked fasteners holding them on?


Direct the officer to the burst proof latch on the rear door :lol:


Do you need to run a rear door on a SWB?
Author:  Zook_Fan [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:25 am ]
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royce wrote:
OK I have dug a bit further

Applicable ADR's, ADR 2, burst proof door latch, ADR 29, side intrusion.

Category MC (off road passenger vehicles) are what sierras are classed as

ADR 29, applicable after JUL 1997
ADR 2 and ADR 2/00, applicable 1st June 1971

So if it had doors it has to comply to ADR 2, take the doors off it no longer complies, if it never had doors it didnt have to comply

So there :finger:

Vitaras, Landcruisers, Patrols, all same category so all as likely as each other to be allowed to run without doors, seriously do you think just cause the hinges are on the outside of a car that it makes it more special than another one? why do the hinges have sealing gunk on em and thread locked fasteners holding them on?


So from that you would be able to run tube doors as long as you had an ADR approved lathc? like you can buy them new though a couple of vendors, BBM is one of them, and if they are used there should be no adr that isnt being spplied to.
Author:  royce [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:24 am ]
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anything possible, youd be the one up for ADR testing though, while your at it get 31's tested on a sierra :)
Author:  Zook_Fan [ Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:46 am ]
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nah i had to dodge 4 qld transport side road inspection pits today as it is... no way in hell i would want to go through that for cheap doors.
Author:  86slowsierra [ Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:22 am ]
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nick.gooding wrote:
steknig wrote:
I Googled Bongin & all i got was BONG`s!! To smoke green tobacco with.

still lost, you live where??


haha where do you get time for this

type in Bonogin, QLD
thats my street and place
iv typed it in beofre works on google streets to. good way to find tracks from mine. :D


with roads like this its no wonder you need a 4wd!


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Author:  steak_knife [ Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:52 am ]
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Still didn`t work, I give up. :?
Author:  89_tintop [ Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:11 am ]
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hey steknig... bonogin is on the gold coast... but inland.. its all acerage out that way.. if you know the coast at all think robina then go inand a few klms.. kind of out the back of mudgeerabah
Author:  felix [ Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:52 pm ]
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Well we got pulled up today without doors on. Didn't get booked for them because we pulled them off the tuff truck and bolted them on the road sierra..

So, you need doors!
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