[klutched]

Thinking about welding my rear diff until I can get some money for another air locker... What are peoples thoughts on it regarding road handling? Only gets driven on weekends really and sometimes down to the shops or when it's raining.

Cheers

[SierraDan]

Yes do it.

[Gwagensteve]

I reckon you'll break axles. Stock vitaras can break axles pretty easily with welded rears and GV's are no stronger.

Handling should be no big problem. You'll notice it but quickly get used to it. The sky won't fall and no kittens will have to die.

Steve

[klutched]

Hmm, what causes them to break axles easier than a rear autolocked vit/gv?

Cool, I have a spare center if I want to swap back anyway.

[SierraDan]

Bind is a guarantee. Auto locker can release under the right circumstances. Welded diff will break an axle under the right circumstances.

I would do it though.

[christover1]

Go for it, easy to change back if you hate it.
Wise to have a set of spare axles anyway.
But a spool be better, if they exist for yours.

[klutched]

christover1 wrote:

Go for it, easy to change back if you hate it.
Wise to have a set of spare axles anyway.
But a spool be better, if they exist for yours.

Anyone know how much GV axles are each?

Same rear center as the vit so I guess so. How much are minispoools or a lockright? And where can you buy them?

[atari4x4]

i don't believe that the GV rear is the same as a Vitara rear, sure they do swap over but if they were exactly the same people wouldn't have to swap to a vitara 3rd when fitting an air locker.

[klutched]

atari4x4 wrote:

i don't believe that the GV rear is the same as a Vitara rear, sure they do swap over but if they were exactly the same people wouldn't have to swap to a vitara 3rd when fitting an air locker.

Ohh, do you need a vit 3rd?! that's gay, I was gonna put it in my GV 3rd. Got a vit 3rd in atm anyway.

[christover1]

No idea on GV fittability

http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... 043-3.html

http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... ckers.html

[christover1]

Weld the GV centre, save the Vit centre for when ya ready for a locker.

[klutched]

christover1 wrote:

Weld the GV centre, save the Vit centre for when ya ready for a locker.

Air locker totally replaces the center so welding the vit one would be easier than changing the R&P over to the GV one.

Another question, how would it go towing the bikes around? Just take it easier I guess.

[christover1]

Only driven a Sierra towing with a welded rear, and lockrite front.
It was fine.
But my Vits only ever had a lock rite rear, so no experience on that.

[atari4x4]

* this post is reserved for your "i broke my rear axle thread"

[alien]

i had a welded rear in my sierra for about a year before i took it off the road for mods... it was very predictable and easy to drive in slippery conditions - you just had to either slow right down, or start counter steering 1/4 of the way through any corner =) it was great fun! lol

i never broke or damaged axles, and i certainly thrashed the shit out of it - but i was running close to stock sized tyres too.

[just_cruizin]

Your turning circle will suffer as it'll understeer like a bitch. On the dirt you won't notice it till you want it but on tarmac it'll suck.

[klutched]

alien wrote:

i had a welded rear in my sierra for about a year before i took it off the road for mods... it was very predictable and easy to drive in slippery conditions - you just had to either slow right down, or start counter steering 1/4 of the way through any corner =) it was great fun! lol

i never broke or damaged axles, and i certainly thrashed the shit out of it - but i was running close to stock sized tyres too.

Hehe i prefer full opposite lock

Yeah dunno how it'll go with 32s on em... hopefully joeblow will have his floater kit out soon for the Gvs.

just_cruizin wrote:

Your turning circle will suffer as it'll understeer like a bitch. On the dirt you won't notice it till you want it but on tarmac it'll suck.

That's fine, it's not on the road much except for some weekends and maybe during the week if i need to pick something up

[atari4x4]

don't you work/have a job?

[klutched]

Yeahh

[Davidmacca]

Mate had welded diff in his vitara and it was a daily and got flogged, never broke axle only problem we had was blowing r&p from the abuse it got

[larry]

if it only gets driven weekends then weld away sir

[bigrig91]

I have one here you can chuck in and see if you like it? Its a vit 5:12. Will hopefully need it for october though

[klutched]

Well got the rear welded diff off Bigrig the other day and it's been good. A few things that are shit about it is parking lots... Or slow speed tight cornering.. And will probably wear my muddies down nice and quickly.

But the stuff you can do offroad with it is amazing! Can drive a lot of tracks in just 2wd. Few tracks put the front air locker on as well and just crawled up. Few people asked me if I had reduction gears hahahaha..

[Built4thrashing]

atari4x4 wrote:

i don't believe that the GV rear is the same as a Vitara rear, sure they do swap over but if they were exactly the same people wouldn't have to swap to a vitara 3rd when fitting an air locker.

The only difference between the GV and Vit rear is the carrier. Internals can be interchanged.

As for lockers anything that can be fitted to the Vit rear can be fitted to the GV but in some cases you will need to use the Vit centre as some GV centre are a different design.

[klutched]

Built4thrashing wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

i don't believe that the GV rear is the same as a Vitara rear, sure they do swap over but if they were exactly the same people wouldn't have to swap to a vitara 3rd when fitting an air locker.

The only difference between the GV and Vit rear is the carrier. Internals can be interchanged.

As for lockers anything that can be fitted to the Vit rear can be fitted to the GV but in some cases you will need to use the Vit centre as some GV centre are a different design.

Is that in regard to a lockright or similar?

So I'll be able to put the rear VITARA air locker into the GV Carrier?

[atari4x4]

Built4thrashing wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

klutched wrote:

Same rear center as the vit so I guess so. How much are minispoools or a lockright? And where can you buy them?

i don't believe that the GV rear is the same as a Vitara rear, sure they do swap over but if they were exactly the same people wouldn't have to swap to a vitara 3rd when fitting an air locker.

The only difference between the GV and Vit rear is the carrier. Internals can be interchanged.

As for lockers anything that can be fitted to the Vit rear can be fitted to the GV but in some cases you will need to use the Vit centre as some GV centre are a different design.

ummm, isn't that what i said... they're the same but different.

[atari4x4]

klutched wrote:

Built4thrashing wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

i don't believe that the GV rear is the same as a Vitara rear, sure they do swap over but if they were exactly the same people wouldn't have to swap to a vitara 3rd when fitting an air locker.

The only difference between the GV and Vit rear is the carrier. Internals can be interchanged.

As for lockers anything that can be fitted to the Vit rear can be fitted to the GV but in some cases you will need to use the Vit centre as some GV centre are a different design.

Is that in regard to a lockright or similar?

So I'll be able to put the rear VITARA air locker into the GV Carrier?

i'd do some research before doing that if i was you.

[Built4thrashing]

If its a 12 bolt rear then most likely Yes.

But in saying this if you already have an airlocker or a lockright in a Vitara Rear 3rd then why swap it? The Vit centre will bolt directly into the Gv rear housing. Axle spline count is the same.


The diffs in the Suzukis are interesting when you start playing with them. So many components are interchangeable with other models.


Example.... In the rear I was running a X90 carrier, 4.8 Gv crown wheel and pinion with a sierra 1510 Lockright inside a GV housing... ( Locker was remover due to tyre wear issues)

Up front its a GV steel diff with Vitara centre and 1510 Lockright.

[atari4x4]

Built4thrashing wrote:

If its a 12 bolt rear then most likely Yes.

pretty sure fitting an airlocker with 5.12's into a GV rear carrier gives you this viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8320&hilit=vitara+ARB+R%26P

in the end he ends up with a Vitara rear carrier as seen here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4723&start=60

[klutched]

atari4x4 wrote:

Built4thrashing wrote:

If its a 12 bolt rear then most likely Yes.

pretty sure fitting an airlocker with 5.12's into a GV rear carrier gives you this http://auszookers.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... +ARB+R%26P

in the end he ends up with a Vitara rear carrier as seen here http://auszookers.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 3&start=60

Don't have an air locker for the rear yet B4T but i'd like to put it in the GV 3rd cause the vit 3rd licks arse and gets a shit load of mud stuck on top