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Author:  chef [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:20 pm ]
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hey guys,

want more power out of my zook so i thinking of put a gti motor in but have no idea what i need to buy beside to motor and wire loom and which gti motor should i buy ive been told there are 3 type?


and can anyone help me put it all in?

thanks
matt
Author:  kenn [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:21 pm ]
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Put an EFI Vit motor in it ..
Author:  chef [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:23 pm ]
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does it have more power then the gti motor and is it easy to put in
Author:  Chinny [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:31 pm ]
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if u get a mk1 motor u can buy a angle drive kit for your dizzy as the standard one won't fit without modification. With the mk 2 n 3 this is trickier as you need to find alternate ways to get around this. One way is a dizzy cap n rotor button from a twin cam 88 mazda 323. But u need to modify it to fit. You'll need to sort out fuel delivery as well. And get a set of custom extractors made up. And then all the little things like thermostat housing and radiator hoses. There's some good info on the net if you search. The end result is very fulfilling :)
Author:  kenn [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:34 pm ]
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GTI motors came out of cars (a great car at that) and Vit motors come out of 4wds. So what do you want it to do ? go fast or go anywhere? And as for easy, about the same but different.
Author:  chef [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:37 pm ]
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to be honest i wont both
Author:  kenn [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:46 pm ]
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Go the Vit motor then. My lj does 130+kph (been there once bit scary in a lifted lj so i backed off, but still had pleanty on the tacho)but off road is where it really shines..btw its got the 4speed auto behind it..
Author:  zookernator [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:15 pm ]
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Chinny wrote:
if u get a mk1 motor u can buy a angle drive kit for your dizzy as the standard one won't fit without modification. With the mk 2 n 3 this is trickier as you need to find alternate ways to get around this. One way is a dizzy cap n rotor button from a twin cam 88 mazda 323. But u need to modify it to fit. You'll need to sort out fuel delivery as well. And get a set of custom extractors made up. And then all the little things like thermostat housing and radiator hoses. There's some good info on the net if you search. The end result is very fulfilling :)

Few more qtn's regarding this kind of stuff.. The first half of this qoute (about the dizzy) doesnt apply to a vit motor conversion does it?? As for the fuel delivery, is it true a vit fuel pump is a bolt in fit to a WT sierra tank??? And the Vit Exhaust manifold.. is it also true that they will "just" clear.. which means you can use those ones?
Author:  lump_a_charcoal [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:04 pm ]
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Is it also true that you need to remove the engine to replace a clutch when using a vit auto?
Author:  zookernator [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:18 pm ]
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lump_a_charcoal wrote:
Is it also true that you need to remove the engine to replace a clutch when using a vit auto?

shit look out.. we have a comedian on the forum!! :wink:
Author:  chef [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:27 pm ]
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with the gti motor do in need to change the fuel line
Author:  Taff [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:49 pm ]
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zookernator wrote:
Chinny wrote:
if u get a mk1 motor u can buy a angle drive kit for your dizzy as the standard one won't fit without modification. With the mk 2 n 3 this is trickier as you need to find alternate ways to get around this. One way is a dizzy cap n rotor button from a twin cam 88 mazda 323. But u need to modify it to fit. You'll need to sort out fuel delivery as well. And get a set of custom extractors made up. And then all the little things like thermostat housing and radiator hoses. There's some good info on the net if you search. The end result is very fulfilling :)

Few more qtn's regarding this kind of stuff.. The first half of this qoute (about the dizzy) doesnt apply to a vit motor conversion does it?? As for the fuel delivery, is it true a vit fuel pump is a bolt in fit to a WT sierra tank??? And the Vit Exhaust manifold.. is it also true that they will "just" clear.. which means you can use those ones?


vit dizz is fine, misses firewall by miles.

no the fuel pump wont bolt into a WT tank, it will however bolt into a coily tank. if you want to use the WT tank you need to run a surge tank, lift pump and high pressure pump.

vit manifold and headers fit great you just have to cut the flange off at the bottom. they hang down a bit though, im only using them atm because I'm too cheap for extractors.
Author:  Taff [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:50 pm ]
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chef wrote:
with the gti motor do in need to change the fuel line


the hard line and the return line is ok but the rubber pressure line needs to be changed for EFI high pressure fuel hose. i used 6mm.
Author:  lump_a_charcoal [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:28 am ]
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zookernator wrote:
lump_a_charcoal wrote:
Is it also true that you need to remove the engine to replace a clutch when using a vit auto?

shit look out.. we have a comedian on the forum!! :wink:


Shit I meant manual - was typed at the end of a 12 hr shift...
Author:  unique_seek [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:33 am ]
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dont need to change fuel lines(under the car)but will have to change filter to efi one.and upgrade fuel hoses to efi...need to add fuel pump(lift pump,swirlpot,and high pressure pump...as the tank is onlt set up for carbi.the gti transplant is heaps of fun(i have a gti turbo in my sierra) gearbox bolts up,get a heavduty clutch(mine was modded and rated to 220hp)...if running standard ecu,its easy with the dizy angle drive and maz cap.......but you can always go the aftermarket ecu....how much you willing to spend???the vit conversion is prob the better one if you just want a bit more power...but vit motor vs gti on road(gti for sure) off road...gti(personal appinion(gti revs to 8 grand...so you need to rev it to get the torque..thats why i gone with turbo..and for towing) comes down to how much you wanna spend and what you plan to do with it...
Author:  zookernator [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:35 am ]
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Thanks Taff :D
Author:  Damo [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:29 am ]
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Taff wrote:
vit manifold and headers fit great you just have to cut the flange off at the bottom. they hang down a bit though, im only using them atm because I'm too cheap for extractors.


I am running the stock exhaust manifold on mine, I do have a set of extractors but they fouled on the chassis when I lowered the engine. The stock manifold isn't too bad for a factory item. As Taff said the only problem is the joint to the rest of the exhaust. If you can get the front section of the Vit exhaust that will make the job a heap easier.
Author:  MADSUZU [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:43 am ]
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I would go the Vitara 1.6L EFI or even Carby model for ease of installationg.
If you go the VITARA 1.6L CARBY all you need is the $200 adaptor plate off ebay and its a bolt in almost drivewaway deal.

However finding cheap vit moto is hard. Plus one with low km's..

I have just done a MK1 GTi conversion. Power wise pretty dissapointed. Thought it was the way i had the ignition advance setup on it. However i had Suzitech in Thornleigh (sydney) fix it up for me. However wasnt real happy with their work at all. They charged me $1800 to hook up the thermo fan to a SA Gti Thermo housing. They didnt hook it up to a switch like i told them to. Car always ran hot and they said that they said it was the thermo fan not being able to cool efficiently.. found out that it had next to NO COOLANT. SO after the radiator pipe blew off and the car nearly overheated i tightened ALL clamps back up as they were loose and filled it up and it runs fine.

Anyway finding MK1 Manuals is the most difficult part if you decide to go the GTi way. Took me ages to find the correct wiring diargram.

I modified the GTI Dizzy with a Mazda 323 1.6L turbo Dizzy cap and rotor button. Had to slightly smoothen the top covers of the electrical covers inside the gti dizzy to get the rotor button to sit tight on the shaft.

Youll only need a High pressure fuel pump off say a VL Commdore one. And just run new lines fuel EFI hose where needed.

I bought a 1300CC set of extractors off ebay for a Sierra and bought a GTi flange and weleded it on. HOWEVER it hit the engine mount. With a lot of heat treatment we bent the pipes so they wouldnt foul on the chassis.

Also another thing i did was upgrade the engine mounts to tougher more reliable ones. As the stock sierra ones just break too easily.

If you want pics or any other info.. Give me call on 04 10 756 872 or beejay_is_@hotmail.com

Stewy
Author:  joeblow [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:03 am ]
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then i better stash my genuine mk1 swift and gti manual then........... :wink:
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