[Ben94]

Just wondering is anyone runs a Pod Filter in the 4x4, and does a snorkel have the same effects (air intake wise) as a pod filter?

[lump_a_charcoal]

No and not really.

[mongrelzook]

I have a pod and hate it.

[atari4x4]

my dog was called POD, that's short of Piss Off Dog.

[royce]

pods arent very common on 4wd's as its hard to set them up so they arent sucking in a lot of dust and water

Yes a snorkel does serve to draw in cold air, as well as it usually being more dust and water free

[Gwagensteve]

An off road car needs a better filter than a pod.

Over the years I've owned/worked on a few off road cars running pod filters. They don't filter the air well enough.

Steve.

[lump_a_charcoal]

Pod filters are high flow, which is why fast road cars use them.

Paper element filters are more restrictive, but trap way more dust/crap.

[bagnkat]

I had a pod filter on the EFI G16A in my coily. I only had it as the engine didn't come with an airbox and it was a quick fix to get it going. I have since replumbed the intake piping to the coily airbox and snorkel.

The snorkel (well its plumbing and the coily airbox) severely restricts airflow into the engine. The pod filter gave the engine a lot better torque at low RPM. I'm talking a real very noticeable difference, not an imagined one

However, I don't trust the pod filter to effectively filter air into the engine, so I accept the reduced power output knowing my engine isn't sucking in feral air.

[monley]

A mate of mine had one of these in his navara D22.

http://www.knfilters.com/universal/apollo.htm

Then he had that hooked up to his snorkel. It worked pretty well, that worse thing about it tho was the cost. I think from memory the apollo cost him $350 then another $90 for the filter and they are not the normal pod filters either! They are a tad smaller than the normal pod filters.

[buzbox]

the only time a pod should be used on a 4wd is to use as a pre filter ontop of the snorkel. Even then it look crap and you'd be better off with a pre filter sock inside the snorkel.

I have a foam finer filter branded replacement with a pre filter in mine.

[Gwagensteve]

monkey wrote:

A mate of mine had one of these in his navara D22.

http://www.knfilters.com/universal/apollo.htm

Then he had that hooked up to his snorkel. It worked pretty well, that worse thing about it tho was the cost. I think from memory the apollo cost him $350 then another $90 for the filter and they are not the normal pod filters either! They are a tad smaller than the normal pod filters.

How do you define "Works pretty well?" because that certainly won't "work pretty well" as an air filter.

K&N filters do not filter as well as stock paper even if the surface area of the filter is equal to the paper filter the manufacturer of the car specified. This is (hopefully) well known by now.

That enclosed pod thing has a very small filter area cinpared to the oem filter, and a poorly designed filter housing. Add to that that anything that gets down the snorkel will strike the filter, and I think that's the worst solution for "filtration" I've seen in a while.

Another example of why using fully hektic road car parts isn't appropriate for a car that travels off road.

Steve.

[bailey08]

I had one on my GV cause I was only doing highway k's.

I had better fuel economy and better excelleration considering it was sucking in hot air.

I have a vacuum gauge installed and with the stock air box over 3 grand it pulls 2-3 Hgs of vacuum. with pod, no vacuum all the way to redline.

now with snorkel its back to the same 2-3Hg's as I have the airbox on. there's no ram air effect, probly because of all the piping. just sucking cool air as per stock, instead of from behind the gaurd it's from above the windscreen

[GRPABT1]

I run a K&N in my V8 commodore, and a Uni filter foam filter in my zook. Never would I even contemplate using a K&N or any other gauze/cotten type filter in a dusty environment. From oil sample tests done on my mechanics car with a K&N filter there was very little difference in particulates from the K&N filter working correctly and from when he had a massive intake pipe leak post filter box. They flow well, but filter shit.

[Scales]

When i bought my jim it had a k&n pod in it. had a few little holes in it too just for good measure.

I spent a HELL of a lot of time and money to find and fit a airbox from another Jim into my car (was a gen3 and im gen2) and then fitted an airtek a few months later... so i have had the pleasure of all 3 setups in a short time.

my experience is........

no fricken difference what so ever.

if any of the 3 is better, i would have to say snork. but that may be just me putting my foot down a bit cos i could hear the cool sucky noises right next to my window.

btw, using paper filter no k&n cartridge jobbys for my airbox, dont believe in them. I use a uni-filter generic sock from ARB when i go wheeling on the bulldust, works an absolute gem. In this pic, the unifilter logo is actually on the front of the sock in solid black writing........ i rinsed out a rediculous amount of dust from this when i got home, and paper filter was pretty much un-touched. 100% recommended for $30 investment.

[Glynn.]

I Run a pod filter when not offroading merely for the fully hectic induktionz
Then swap over to stock air box when out bush

[Ben94]

Cheers for all the info guys

[Gwagensteve]

Scales, considered using a Donaldson pre cleaner?



Probably almost as effective as foam as a filter, but likely to be less restrictive, especially when dirty.

Thats's what I'd be running. (along with a centrifugal air filter rather than a panel. I don't like panel filters - I think they are for cars.)

Steve.

[Scales]

considered it for about .5 of a second dude,
the cost wasnt worth it for the amount i would need it. 30 bucks for the sock that did a surprisingly good job over some really harsh roads. and i can just take it off when im back on the black top.

if i was tackling bulldust every week i would consider it a bit more.

note that photo was taken after a good week of bulldust and corrugations, pretty much as bad as its going to get in this country. was still sucking strong.

[Gwagensteve]

I don't think Donaldson pre cleaners are much dearer than $30.

Steve.

[Scales]

hmmm if thats the case i may reconsider next big trip, but for short jaunts the sock works a treat.

remember i have to add the compulsory 20 dollars north queenslander tax to that estimate for postage/shipping

additionally i dont really like the look of the donaldsons.

i dont think i would change my airbox/filter setup for a centrifuge after all the effort i went to replace it

[Gwagensteve]

Oh I agree - I wasn't casting aspersions about your setup at all, pre filtering is the best way of improving the filtration of a stock air box - it's just that I don't think the Jimny air box was really designed with Australian conditions in mind.

It's an area where the manufacturers' intention for a vehicle becomes pretty clear. Have a look at the air box in a Landcruiser and you can see what filtration looks like when it was designed for a dusty environment rather than a Tokyo street.

Steve.

[shep]

Scales wrote:

considered it for about .5 of a second dude,
the cost wasnt worth it for the amount i would need it. 30 bucks for the sock that did a surprisingly good job over some really harsh roads. and i can just take it off when im back on the black top.

if i was tackling bulldust every week i would consider it a bit more.

note that photo was taken after a good week of bulldust and corrugations, pretty much as bad as its going to get in this country. was still sucking strong.

my pre cleaner cost $28. best $28 i have spent on my car