[Abraxix]

i saw this on a decently modded 94 4runner..

33" Baja Claws!!!

now what was STRANGE was that the tires had been rotated diagonally, eg... directional tires facing the rigth way and the wrong way...

front right was normal and rear left were normal but the opposites so front left was backwards and rear right was backwards...

after theorising with a few mates we came up with only one conclusion..

mud, you drive in with directional tires = mucho grip, you get stuck and you can't back out?? if you drive in with two directional tires facing forwards you go through if you need to back out you have the backwards grip??

any other thoughts????
Abs!!!

[kirstyandgrace]

Retards in the tyre fitting industry ?

[lordfury007]

I'm putting my money on a blown tire, so they used a spare, then when they got it repaired they put it on the wrong corner.

I've seen both rear tyres backwards before, and I think that would make more sence when it comes to reversing out of mud...

[SuziBlu]

kirstyandgrace wrote:

Retards in the tyre fitting industry ?

Yep, 100% dickheads.

Love claws, what i drive in, unbeatable, but, they are mono directional.

[alex]

What i have heard is that when running directional tyres backwards they grip from the outside in when running them the right way they grip from the inside out.

[Gwagensteve]

SuziBlu wrote:

Yep, 100% dickheads.

Love claws, what i drive in, unbeatable, but, they are mono directional.

But have you tried them back to front on the front yet?

Honestly, they work better with the fronts reversed, especially on soft surfaces. This is from personal experience. I almost liked them with the fronts backwards. They respond much better to steering and the front doesn't dig as hard, which is a good thing.

All round though, there are far better tyres.

Steve.

[Hybrid]

Could have been a cooincidence but I was helping beebee (team DGR) put his boggers on once before a rock trip. We were rushing and I put 2 on back to front without looking. We noticed before leaving. I of course got bagged out and we joked about it causing damage due to wind up. He blew his output shaft an hour later.....

[joeblow]

SuziBlu wrote:

kirstyandgrace wrote:

Retards in the tyre fitting industry ?

Yep, 100% dickheads.

Love claws, what i drive in, unbeatable, but, they are mono directional.

be carefull.......and look in the mirror.


did you know mecedes fitted them in the 'reverse' manner on many of the unimogs?


mercedes aint stupid.

[Fatzook]

joeblow wrote:

SuziBlu wrote:

kirstyandgrace wrote:

Retards in the tyre fitting industry ?

Yep, 100% dickheads.

Love claws, what i drive in, unbeatable, but, they are mono directional.

be carefull.......and look in the mirror.


did you know mecedes fitted them in the 'reverse' manner on many of the unimogs?


mercedes aint stupid.

I don't find running directional tyres backward for offroad purposes stupid at all.

I do however think its stupid to have one correctly mounted tyre and one reverse mounted tyre on the same axle.

[royce]

shit I hated mine backwards, great for sliding down a muddy hill (notice the vics love it) but hopeless climbing back up

[SuziBlu]

Claws dig in, backwards they lift and float, like all directional tyres. How on earth can floating be any good, digging down to hard, yes, lifting up and floating on the slippery stuff, yea right, that sounds very good, NOT.

I am not into the idea of going backwards, the way the radiator points is the way to go, reverse is only there to take you out of your drive way, nothing else.

Seriously, how can a floating tyre be any good for anything.

[Fatzook]

SuziBlu wrote:

I am not into the idea of going backwards, the way the radiator points is the way to go,

Damn! I had better re-think Cammo. I put my radiator in the back

[SuziBlu]

Doh lol.

yea ok, some have super special vehicles that have backward facing radiators, they are excused from the er, direction, in which we meant to go.

[Fatzook]

SuziBlu wrote:

Doh lol.

yea ok, some have super special vehicles that have backward facing radiators, they are excused from the er, direction, in which we meant to go.

[royce]

Fatzook wrote:

SuziBlu wrote:

I am not into the idea of going backwards, the way the radiator points is the way to go,

Damn! I had better re-think Cammo. I put my radiator in the back

ive heard it will be all the rage in 2020, about the same time cammo sees the road

[Fatzook]

royce wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

SuziBlu wrote:

I am not into the idea of going backwards, the way the radiator points is the way to go,

Damn! I had better re-think Cammo. I put my radiator in the back

ive heard it will be all the rage in 2020, about the same time cammo sees the road

Hahaha Very good

[Gwagensteve]

SuziBlu wrote:

Seriously, how can a floating tyre be any good for anything.

Are you the same guy that drives sand all the time? You're making an arse of yourself. Quit while you're ahead.

Steve

[atari4x4]

Gwagensteve wrote:

SuziBlu wrote:

Seriously, how can a floating tyre be any good for anything.

Are you the same guy that drives sand all the time? You're making an arse of yourself. Quit while you're ahead.

Steve

[SuziBlu]

Always drive sand steve, have asked you repeatedly to show me the error of my ways, you always revert to ridicule, so, practice what you preach.

Like I said once before, and will say again, your mechanical skills are unsurpassed, knowledge of offroad driving, tyres, general non bigheaded "I am fukin brilliant" skills, zero.

[atari4x4]

SuziBlu wrote:

Seriously, how can a floating tyre be any good for anything.

don't you want at tyre to float on sand or dig in, David?

Steve talks about a longer foot print rather than a wider foot print in that other thread about tyres...

[SuziBlu]

When you are running hard, yes, you want to float like a butterfly, but when it gets down an dirty, I back my big harsh tread as it will dig in and grip like nothing else. Longer is good, yes, wider is also good, if it were not, why are we not running bike tyres, 30" x 1" When talking of either sand or mud, you need to consider the weight of the vehicle, the type of terrain, and power the said vehicle has. When suziblu is struggling, I floor it, she throws a big rooster tail, and takes off like a cat with turps on its tail, others with "sand" smooth tyers are left for dead.


How many off road motor bikes do you see running smooth tread, when I was into off road bikes, we went for the harshest, chunkiest tyre available, for sand and mud, gravel, same deal.

Steve will always revert to ridicule when he has no real answer but just wants to try and make like he has unsurpassed knowledge, like his mechanical skills, sadly, he has no idea that tho he is learned in one area, does not mean he is excelling in all areas, and ridicule, is his way, sad really, as without the shit that comes out of his mouth, he has a fair bit to offer.

Gus, the floating bit referred to a tyre that is mono directional, running reverse, and will lift and float, no grip, very much like aquaplaning.

[Abraxix]

so after all the catch up reading since the OP. i've noticed one thing.. first was the blame of tire fitters... pretty sure this guy does everything himself..

other comments have been who cares not a bad idea..

one comment i want to ask about now is..

*running directional tires one forward facing and one backward facing on the same axle is a bad idea* ???

why is this a bad idea? i know the reasoning behind running a big tire and a small tire on the same axel but why does it matter about directional tires???

Abs!!!

[SuziBlu]

I think if you are into very hard working country where you spend as much time going ahead as going back, finding and exploring your way,then yes, it may be ok, maybe. Non directional would be far superior tho.

Directional tyres are designed to give maximum traction one way, non directional tyres do not have as much traction in ahead, but are somewhat equal in traction either direction.

Take tractor tyres, directional, they are designed to get into crap, and throw the crap out the sides, and go to fresh earth at all times, if you reverse this, they take the soft crap, and lift the wheel as it tucks the soft useless crap in the center of the tyre, no traction.

IF you put a directional tyre on front and back, same diff, then you will have enormous grip on the correct direction, and bugger all on the wrong way side, no good.

[5ierra]

You could always just by a non directional tyre.

[SuziBlu]

Exactly.

[royce]

SuziBlu wrote:

When you are running hard, yes, you want to float like a butterfly, but when it gets down an dirty, I back my big harsh tread as it will dig in and grip like nothing else. Longer is good, yes, wider is also good, if it were not, why are we not running bike tyres, 30" x 1" When talking of either sand or mud, you need to consider the weight of the vehicle, the type of terrain, and power the said vehicle has. When suziblu is struggling, I floor it, she throws a big rooster tail, and takes off like a cat with turps on its tail, others with "sand" smooth tyers are left for dead.


How many off road motor bikes do you see running smooth tread, when I was into off road bikes, we went for the harshest, chunkiest tyre available, for sand and mud, gravel, same deal.

Steve will always revert to ridicule when he has no real answer but just wants to try and make like he has unsurpassed knowledge, like his mechanical skills, sadly, he has no idea that tho he is learned in one area, does not mean he is excelling in all areas, and ridicule, is his way, sad really, as without the shit that comes out of his mouth, he has a fair bit to offer.

Gus, the floating bit referred to a tyre that is mono directional, running reverse, and will lift and float, no grip, very much like aquaplaning.

It's taken a while, bunt finally you have made a post that almost makes sense and I agree with

[SuziBlu]

Is that a compliment, or a payout. peaceout

[Gwagensteve]

Suziblu, Let's just get this stuff right.


I understand you run a SWB sierra and drive sand.

I understand you run 31" claws. I think they are radials. They also look pretty worn judging by the photo you posted in the sand driving thread.

I understand that a sierra on 31's is good in sand. I've driven one.

Driving a sierra on 31's on sand isn't hard. Really, they are just so much better on sand than anything else it's embarrassing. You don't have any unique insights here.

If you want to talk about hard (soft) terrain to drive in, try some snow. It's constantly changing. Ironically, claws are great in snow, but lots of tyres are good in snow for different reasons, and that's critical. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

So we understand your body of knowledge, how many different tyres in what sizes have you run on a sierra in the sand?


PS If you think I'm ridiculing you - not at all. You must have a pretty thin skin, but you've got to admit, you can't expect to say this

Quote:

Seriously, how can a floating tyre be any good for anything.

and get away with it.

[Fatzook]

Gwagensteve wrote:

If you want to talk about hard (soft) terrain to drive in, try some snow. It's constantly changing.

Hell yeah it is!! I drove in snow for the first time earlier this year (USA) and its like nothing else. Hard spots, soft powder, icey crust and so on. Heap of fun in a CAT though

I think I'll start a 2011 snow season trip thread

[TZAR]

Abraxix wrote:

so after all the catch up reading since the OP. i've noticed one thing.. first was the blame of tire fitters... pretty sure this guy does everything himself..

It would be when the tyres were put on the rims. You need to put two on one way and two on the other.

Running the same tread but one backwards on the same axle will make the car drive strangely on the road, just wandering back and forth, tram traking worse than normal.

Suziblu are you typing for typing sake????

Running directional tread pattern tyres backwards on the steer axle is highly recommonded as it makes the tyres wear smoother, last longer and makes he tyres respond better.

Look at the tread. If you spin it backwards it "pulls" things towards the middle of the tread. If you spin it normally then it "pushes" things outwards.

Not toyping anymore until you understand this concept