[Fatzook]

ZookZilla96 wrote:

hahaha im in a exhaust and mechnical workshop... I want to do the 4AGE conversion but there is some serious work involved.... although just got quoted for a G13B twin cam EFi for complete engine (computer, etc) $1800!!!!! thats cost price!! so im thinking this 4AGE is where im leaning at the moment....

The 4AGE is the most powerful factory 1.6L you will find that is still reasonably cost effective to install. I'm not a massive fan of the power band, but its no worse than where the peak power on a GTI motor sits, so for all the effort and expense thats involved, why not get 100kw instead of 75?

[ZookZilla96]

yerr very tru very tru... never really thought of it that way.. never knew it was the most powerful 1.6L. very interesting... I've read on a few sites you can pull 300+ hp without supercharging or turboing it...

[matty_wall]

ZookZilla96 wrote:

yerr very tru very tru... never really thought of it that way.. never knew it was the most powerful 1.6L. very interesting... I've read on a few sites you can pull 300+ hp without supercharging or turboing it...

Ive read in a few places that its pretty expensive to mod 4AGE's to get large ammounts of power out of them.
i would have thought you would go 4agze with a turbo for more power.

I could be wrong tho.

[jonno_racing]

why do u want so much power?
the drive line etc wont rate it!
i dont think i would want much more power than i have though my driveline!

4age in a zook hauls ass... i have been in one a few years ago. pretty much the same power curve as the g13b prob a bit more high up!

[mnemonix]

Hauls ass on road.
shithouse offroad unless your offroading involves roosting through mud.

[jonno_racing]

mnemonix wrote:

Hauls ass on road.
shithouse offroad unless your offroading involves roosting through mud.

x2 it was around the same as a stock 1300 down low, but with the benifit of EFI, and the seemingly endless power up top.

[steak_knife]

jonno_racing wrote:

why do u want so much power?
the drive line etc wont rate it!
i dont think i would want much more power than i have though my driveline!

4age in a zook hauls ass... i have been in one a few years ago. pretty much the same power curve as the g13b prob a bit more everywhere

As for the drive line, I've seen commenwhore eng going through a std sierra transfer...

I never had any trouble that you wouldn't of had with a vit eng, most breakage's I had was eng mount's & uni's.. did twist on shaft a lil tho.

[jonno_racing]

steak_knife wrote:

jonno_racing wrote:

why do u want so much power?
the drive line etc wont rate it!
i dont think i would want much more power than i have though my driveline!

4age in a zook hauls ass... i have been in one a few years ago. pretty much the same power curve as the g13b prob a bit more everywhere

As for the drive line, I've seen commenwhore eng going through a std sierra transfer...

I never had any trouble that you wouldn't of had with a vit eng, most breakage's I had was eng mount's & uni's.. did twist on shaft a lil tho.

yeah there is a zook down here, adams brothers that is running a 3.8, auto zook transfer, lux diffs and 36's in a swb!

but the issues i am thinking off is axels, CV's and diff centers

[steak_knife]

depends how it's driven, I still crawled up big hill's(as much as you can std gear's), but it was no fun when you accidentally pushed the go peddle to hard, would stand up on a hill climb

Thay are a lil front heavy with 4age to, but again livable..

[ZookZilla96]

everyone has there different views i spose.... only reason im doing it is im sick of the 1.3 carby and its available and a really good price... in a few years time i plan to turn it into a comp truck with many major mods so turboing it would be on the cards when that happens... but that will happen when it happens..

[matty87]

ZookZilla96 wrote:

yerr very tru very tru... never really thought of it that way.. never knew it was the most powerful 1.6L. very interesting... I've read on a few sites you can pull 300+ hp without supercharging or turboing it...

ya can do alot of stuff with alot of cash. The 4a series of engines are like the 3rz series they for some reason love to be made into absolute power houses

to throw something else in the mix the 2a series of engines the 1.5 out of the corollas were a square engine same sized bore and stroke and as such loved to produce huge torque with a bit of work to them but i dunno if that has ever been done as they are a bit of a toyota enthusiasts engine and prolly hard to get now.

also iv heard a bit on torque of this and that being higher but higher in the rev range and without looking at curves i can only speculate but could the g13b be producing more torque than the g13ba at the ba's peak of 3000 rpm and then just go on to peak later in the rev range while still being higher than the ba when it reaches its peak.

[simonprice]

fuck yer lets get it pussy just do some work im pritty sure we can put a 4age in with seans help

[2stroker]

jonno_racing wrote:

mnemonix wrote:

Hauls ass on road.
shithouse offroad unless your offroading involves roosting through mud.

x2 it was around the same as a stock 1300 down low, but with the benifit of EFI, and the seemingly endless power up top.

I can assure you that there is no comparision whatsoever between a 4AGE and a stock 1300 Suzuki engine anywhere in the rev range. You rekon you went for a ride in one a year ago, I reckon your memory has let you down if you think it was comparable to a standard 1300 engine down low.

Jonno you said your car has 3 times the down low pull of a g13a but not as much as a g16a, well a 4AGE has more than a g16a so how can it be about a same as a stock 1300 that makes no sense at all.

Mnemonix what do you base the shithouse off road comment on, have you actually driven a properly set up one off road.

Steaky, obviously you have owned a 4AGE powered Suzuki (it was nearly as good as my nissan powered one hey) this has been covered before in another post but a sierra with an extra battery and a winch has added more weight up front than a 4age, plus while you are at it doing the conversion you can sit that engine back as far as possible to compensate for that extra weight.

Now that I am old and have been through the lets go faster I need more power period of my life I probably would stay brand loyal and fit a Suzuki engine. Everyone I know that has fitted EFI 1600 Vitara engines and GTI swift engines have been happy with them, I just get annoyed when people bag 4AGE's when they have nil experience with them.

[SuziBlu]

matty87 wrote:

ZookZilla96 wrote:

yerr very tru very tru... never really thought of it that way.. never knew it was the most powerful 1.6L. very interesting... I've read on a few sites you can pull 300+ hp without supercharging or turboing it...

also iv heard a bit on torque of this and that being higher but higher in the rev range and without looking at curves i can only speculate but could the g13b be producing more torque than the g13ba at the ba's peak of 3000 rpm and then just go on to peak later in the rev range while still being higher than the ba when it reaches its peak.

Where does one find torque graphs, I have searched but to no avail, I would like to see the graphs of the G13ba, and the carb an injected 1.6s. I know the torque of each, but not where its made, I am going to do a 1.6 into my LWB and am inclined to go carb for ease, but it will depend on the torque curves.

[Fatzook]

SuziBlu wrote:

I am going to do a 1.6 into my LWB and am inclined to go carb for ease, but it will depend on the torque curves.

Well the seat of my pants tells me that the EFI 1.6 has good gains in torque right across the rev range over the carby 1.6.

Even the TBI 1.6 has noticable gains over the carby.

IMO the G16B is the PERFECT motor for a sierra. They should have been factory fitted.

[SuziBlu]

Yea I understand that, in gobs, but, doing the 1.6l carb donk, Its easy an I can do it blindfolded, doing the injected, and all the associated wiring, man I would get dizzy and fall off me chair.

I like to do things myself, thats why Im leaning toward the carb, but with you and others saying injected, the carb is losing ground.

[tanshi]

I just picked up my j20a complete inc gearbox for $1500 there is another option if you want more powers

[SuziBlu]

tanshi wrote:

I just picked up my j20a complete inc gearbox for $1500 there is another option if you want more powers

SC14

[tanshi]

bwah haha,

there isnt gonna be much space in the engine bay as it is,

SC might be pushing it

[Jccck]

A K20A or K22A(If you can find one!) would be the best option.
Super low end torque, a 10,000RPM rev limit, and just shy of 200KW at the flywheel.. Small, powerful, and bloody expensive.

Do it

[BlueSuzy]

rather see a f20c with the 6sp in a sierra for the ulltimate n/a 4cyl.

[Blueberry]

thought about a blacktop 4AGE? that would be mean!

[matty87]

3uz-fe for ftw

[mnemonix]

2stroker wrote:

Mnemonix what do you base the shithouse off road comment on, have you actually driven a properly set up one off road.

We put a red top ge in a mates 85LWB sierra a few years ago. The vehicle had almost identical setup to 1 of mine (lwb, spoa, twin locked, reduction gears on 31's).
for ~3 years it came wheeling with us.

In driving identical tracks the ge was less capable than my last zook (g16b). Not in that it lacked power, but power delivery was not as uniform throughout the rev range, making it more of a handful to control.
All well and good if you're a basher that likes to bounce and pounce over every piece of terrain, but useless if you're a technical wheeler trying to make progress without damage.

With my current zook (G16gti) the situation is very much the same.
We would regular swap vehicles amongst the group and drive each others cars for days on end over various terrain. This rules out the driver factor.

[2stroker]

Must have been something wrong with it, lots of variables can make it touchy on the gas. Was it running a RWD manifold or a cut and shut FWD manifold, was it aftermarket computer or factory, were you running the factory toyota air box or a pod or a modded sierra one. I will find some graphs and scan them in for you, a 4AGE in standard trim is incredibly lineal in its power delivery and totally driveable when sorted and running right.

[mnemonix]

Spliced in the factory ECU, RWD manifold, factory airbox off a different 1.6l vehicle (Corolla from memory) for better fitment.
Wideband 02 showed the afr's were in spec.

Granted, the power was enjoyable (for a hoon like me), but it did not add to the vehicles capability in any way.

[tombutt]

Fatzook wrote:

SuziBlu wrote:

I am going to do a 1.6 into my LWB and am inclined to go carb for ease, but it will depend on the torque curves.

Well the seat of my pants tells me that the EFI 1.6 has good gains in torque right across the rev range over the carby 1.6.

Even the TBI 1.6 has noticable gains over the carby.

IMO the G16B is the PERFECT motor for a sierra. They should have been factory fitted.

if i was to own a sierra the first thing i would do is drop a 1.6 efi in it after seeing fatzooks it hauls on the road and crawls awesome off road

[CairnsZook]

SuziBlu wrote:

Yea I understand that, in gobs, but, doing the 1.6l carb donk, Its easy an I can do it blindfolded, doing the injected, and all the associated wiring, man I would get dizzy and fall off me chair.

I like to do things myself, thats why Im leaning toward the carb, but with you and others saying injected, the carb is losing ground.

Seriously Dave, it's not that hard at all. Before doing this, I was hard up wiring in spotlights through a relay...
I just followed the diagrams, read some threads on here and if I had questions, just asked. If it wasn't for my crooked CAS she would have fired first go!
You would be mad not to go EFI. You would not believe how hard my Zook goes now

[2stroker]

mnemonix wrote:

Spliced in the factory ECU, RWD manifold, factory airbox off a different 1.6l vehicle (Corolla from memory) for better fitment.
Wideband 02 showed the afr's were in spec.

Granted, the power was enjoyable (for a hoon like me), but it did not add to the vehicles capability in any way.

No worries, you obviously have your opinion, one thing though if you don't think more power adds in any way to the capability of a vehicle then why do you run a 1600 Vitara engine to yours instead of a 1300 and why have you chased even more power (unsuccessfully might I add) by fitting a 1300 twin cam head to it. You have had an experience with a 4age engine conversion that for whatever reason didn't work properly, I can assure you that it is not indicitive of them all.

[Fatzook]

2stroker wrote:

mnemonix wrote:

Spliced in the factory ECU, RWD manifold, factory airbox off a different 1.6l vehicle (Corolla from memory) for better fitment.
Wideband 02 showed the afr's were in spec.

Granted, the power was enjoyable (for a hoon like me), but it did not add to the vehicles capability in any way.

No worries, you obviously have your opinion, one thing though if you don't think more power adds in any way to the capability of a vehicle then why do you run a 1600 Vitara engine to yours instead of a 1300 and why have you chased even more power (unsuccessfully might I add) by fitting a 1300 twin cam head to it. You have had an experience with a 4age engine conversion that for whatever reason didn't work properly, I can assure you that it is not indicitive of them all.

From what I read of mnemonixs' posts, the 4age does not suit HIS driving requirements. I don't think he was outright saying that the power is not worth it, more that the power is not where HE needs it.
Correct me if I am wrong mnemonix BTW, what a bitch of a username