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HEY ALL
Just destroyed my g16a engine beyond repair think broken valves into piston type broken, its pretty amazing, but anyways, looking to do a proper engine swap now something with efi and not 30yrs old ideally, was reading online and yes I know such a reliable place to read about the mighty APVs that run g16a engines, I may be able to get one that has been had the back of it destroyed but the front is still good, havent found any info about the motors other then just general wiki stuff, if someone has knowledge or know of where to send me to find out if it will fit/work thanks...Or am I better off finding a baleno motor and go from there as its tried and tested and plenty of info on how do it.

[Gwagensteve]

The APV runs a G16b with unique sump and manifolds.

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1.6 L G16A SOHC 16-valve MPI I4 (petrol)
thats what it is telling me on suzuki apv wiki,,,hmmm weird

looks like the baleno path it is then thanks

[Gwagensteve]

Yes. Some early Vitaras and (evidently) APV’s have a g16a designation but are g16b’s in all but name (i.e 16v efi) is that What engine you have?

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I dont have any engine atm, just looking, from what i have been reading looks like baleno coil pack is the go, some cheap ones on gumtree, car sales etc, so come on tax time, let the fun times roll

[alien]

I'm actually really interested to know if it's possible to adapt a new M-series to a sierra gearbox. Surely it can be done???

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I have thought of that out of a swift etc, but from plenty of reading looks like its a bit pricey, need the engine which arent cheap yet, but from what i have read need a jimny box from g13ba from what i belive, there is someone who done one some where on here I belive, it looks interesting but very $$$ i would be keen to do it but who knows, depends what wifey lets me spend i think. Also thought bout the m18 out of a liana as well lots of ideas and anything is possible just comes down to commitment and willingness and time and money

[ZUZUKI]

Info not 1st hand, but I understand the basic APV engine can be adapted into Vitara application by using the APV short block & everything else from the Vitara.
If you are going into a Sierra, from G13a/b/bb you will be needing some Vitara G16b or Jimny G13bb bits, like manifolds, rocker cover, possibly use the Jimny G13bb sump with sensor hole, etc & bound to be other bits like alternator brackets.
APV is most commonally available as a manual (auto even offered in Aust?) & is a basic commercial thing, so interrelation with BCM / TCM is either minimal or non-existant = simpler ECU wiring, but again, I've not done it.
APV gearbox is cable clutch & cable shift but bound to be all about funky side angles for mounting & filling - no idea if it is possible to use. For that angle issue, suggest APV auto would probably not work, or need lots of mods to pan, pick-up, filler tube etc - still might leave the valve body high & dry. Maybe the bellhousing could be swapped for a Vitara / Jimny item?.
APV is a current vehicle = engines are available with minimal km for moderate $$.
Baleno coil pack G16b are 18-20 years old & likely high km, but low $$.

An engine / gearbox combo for the future into Sierra is M14 / M15 / M16 Swift (already 10 years old though) / M16 Ignis onto M13 Jimny gearbox, or current Jimny K15b & gearbox.

Rgs, Michael

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Lots of reading to do and so much thinking, I do like the idea of a m16 out of swift etc, they can be found easily not to cheap but plenty around, it's the needing another gearbox that doesn't fill me with joy, I work at a wreckers and can see how much jimny boxes are.. Kinda hurts, but will keep reading and working it out, Suzuki is out of action for a while now

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So have come up with a plan
m16a out of Swift sports (ideally around 2015ish)
vvt jimny 5spd box (i know about the 5spd being only 1:1 have bigger tyres so will be okish hopefully)
Haltech ecu to run everything

Not a cheap setup but one that should hopefully last the distance

[Gwagensteve]

Gearing will be almost impossible to resolve for on and off road unless you have enormous tyres. you could achieve one or other fairly easily, but getting a usable low range (something around 50:1 overall) and highway cruising <4K rpm will be a nightmare.

Confirm you can fit the Sierra tailshaft housing to the back of the VVT gearbox or the shifter will end up over the top of the transfer lever.

What is the plan for inlet manifold? I could be wrong, but it looks to me the stock swift manifold will be all over the brake booster and put the intake into the firewall. You'll obviously need jimny exhaust manifold/extractors and sump/pickup.

Good move to wire the car with a Haltech. Approximately 300% of jimny swappers should be doing this instead of crossing their fingers and running some cobble together of ECU and injectors and hope.

If it was my car and I had your sort of budget, I'd run the AW-4 from an M16 SWB NGV, which would 100% sort the gearing out and make the whole car fantastic to drive.

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Would I be better doing the earlier motor and gearbox from swift and jimny the non vvt engine, as was built on here... Would I be wrong thinking that the is all different from early to late in fitments, or is going to be a massive pain in the rear end, go get baleno motor, go get haltech, make it work... Alot cheaper that way... Argjhhhg not sure which way, we want it back on the road sooner rather then later, the baleno option might be the way to go, I don't know enough about the new engines or boxes and it's an expensive thing to just do trial and error

[Gwagensteve]

If you want it back on the road, just replace what you have.
Do you currently have a SOHC 16V G16? (PS they're not an interference motor - pistons and valves can't hit)
Why not just replace that? Why do you need a haltech for a SOHC G16? I can see the point with an M16 as antitheft etc makes late model ECUs a pain, but there's no issue with a Baleno and the cost and functionality of running a stock ECU outweigh some advantages of the Haltech for an internally stock, unboosted motor.

with an M swap the engine isn't important, but obviously you need something with north/south trim (sump, manifolds etc) it's all about the gearbox. I believe the common solution is to run a Jimny auto or build a hybrid 5 speed with a G13 tailshaft housing and M series case. Not sure on what ratios are in the early M13 manual Jimny's, but the autos are definitely overdriven in top gear which is why the autos have deeper transfer ratios.

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I had a g16a so no efi there. Tracked down a jimny non vvt gearbox and talked to a few gearbox people who will help create a hybrid box, so thats a plus, deposit payed on box so that's a plus, motor g15 found a nice low ks one out of a swift, and haltech deposit payed, now a few other bits and party time

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I'm think of putting a 2.7L v6 vitara engine in my 1994 Suzuki sierra sj70

[Gwagensteve]

That's probably best handled via a new topic.

Yes, it's been done, because every engine ever made has been jammed into a Sierra at some point. That's a completely different issue to whether it's a good idea or not.

First question: Have you undertaken a complex engine swap before?

Next question: have you done any research, measuring etc on the conversion?

I have seen photos of a couple of H conversions. One was in Germany in a SWB car that had a complete front clip/inner guards and stock ride height. It was (apparently) approved for road use. Frankly, it was a mess. the engine didn't fit so there was an awkward bonnet bulge and from memory the engine was sitting well forward in the engine bay.

The other I've seen was in a "comp" style lwb car which had no inner guards and lots of suspension lift, which creates loads of room. It looked quite good in the bay.

Because the H series engines are DOHC per bank, they're bulky. it puts a LOT of bulk over the inner guards which makes access to the manifolds, engine mounts, steering shaft etc a pain. Tight engine bays make for difficulties with heat dispersion. The design of the Sierra front end makes fitting a large enough radiator (the V6 GV radiator is quite large) difficult.

The H series engine are intended as a "high value" engine - i.e the priority being smoothness and refinement (that's debatable, I dislike V6 power delivery at the best of times, but be that as it may) they're focus isn't power. Their HP per litre is nothing special. A big (or boosted) 4 cylinder will provide easily that much power and torque but be a LOT easier to fit and a cheaper engine to maintain. Look at motors like the 2RZ/3RZ for example, or if even the B230T Redblock volvo motor - 140ish KW stock, they fit in a Sierra, and they come with an AW-4 auto. 4 Cylinder BMW motors are also very cheap now too.

Anyway, moving this to another topic away from here might be best for encouraging relevant discussion.