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Author:  onetoomany [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Diesel Jimny
I've researched the sh*t out of this topic enough to know that it can be done, but I'm just curious as to why I haven't been able to find any build threads of anyone actually doing it? Plenty of people have upgraded to the G16/M15/M18, and although they're gaining more power they still suffer from average fuel economy. I'd much prefer to pay a bit more and have excellent fuel economy with the ability to tow.

I've seen lots of people in the states that have converted their vitara to diesel using the 1.6 or 1.9 out of a VW, which leads me to the conclusion that converting an early model Jimny to diesel would be a relatively straight forward swap with the use of Jeff's adapter/s (ACME).

I do a lot of highway driving for work so sitting at 2k revs for a long period of time is much more preferable than sitting at 4k. I also want to take off around Australia for a bit next year and maybe do the canning stock route, so finding a servo that sells petrol can be a bit of a challenge at times apparently (particularly out west) and then I'll also have the ability to carry fuel in a jerry on the back of the car rather than inside the cabin.

I also think an axle upgrade would probably be a wise move even if I do just stick to 31's (check your pm's Joe :wink:). I can deal with a flat tyre, but a busted axle is the last thing I'd want when I'm in the middle of no where haha.

Any input or problems you could see me running into please feel free to chime in :)
Author:  zukmeista [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Buy a SWB GV?
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Ignoring all the other reasons why diesel is pointless/unfeasible, how are you going to get your cruise revs down to 2k?

Steve.
Author:  shep [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
What's wrong with cruising at 4k revs? I get between 280 and 330 km to 35L fuel when towing my camper
Plus there is 140L of fuel in the trailer so I have a pretty good fuel range

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Author:  Marko_SJ [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
onetoomany wrote:
I've researched the sh*t out of this topic enough to know that it can be done, but I'm just curious as to why I haven't been able to find any build threads of anyone actually doing it? Plenty of people have upgraded to the G16/M15/M18, and although they're gaining more power they still suffer from average fuel economy. I'd much prefer to pay a bit more and have excellent fuel economy with the ability to tow.

I've seen lots of people in the states that have converted their vitara to diesel using the 1.6 or 1.9 out of a VW, which leads me to the conclusion that converting an early model Jimny to diesel would be a relatively straight forward swap with the use of Jeff's adapter/s (ACME).

I do a lot of highway driving for work so sitting at 2k revs for a long period of time is much more preferable than sitting at 4k. I also want to take off around Australia for a bit next year and maybe do the canning stock route, so finding a servo that sells petrol can be a bit of a challenge at times apparently (particularly out west) and then I'll also have the ability to carry fuel in a jerry on the back of the car rather than inside the cabin.

I also think an axle upgrade would probably be a wise move even if I do just stick to 31's (check your pm's Joe :wink:). I can deal with a flat tyre, but a busted axle is the last thing I'd want when I'm in the middle of no where haha.

Any input or problems you could see me running into please feel free to chime in :)


I've seen one in person. 1.9 VW TD or something.

This is a typical "best friends, sister's uncle" anecdote, but it belongs to my mates uncle. He (my mate) has driven it several times, although it is neatly done, after driving it , he reckons its not the go, especially when you consider g16b. Which is designed to rev compared to the diesel.

This guy has done two, one hard top, one maruti. I'm not getting photos because 1. he doesn't like me and 2. he doesn't like to share.

I'm pretty sure he used adapter kits out of the states, and imported the engine. (whish is supposed to be rare in Aus I think)
Author:  tanshi [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
just cos it can be done. doesnt mean it should be
Author:  Marko_SJ [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
tanshi wrote:
just cos it can be done. doesnt mean it should be


Kind of what I was saying. But with the added benefit of hearing from someone who's driven one. :)
Author:  Gwagensteve [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
zukmeista wrote:
Buy a Hilux?
Author:  onetoomany [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Gwagensteve wrote:
Ignoring all the other reasons why diesel is pointless/unfeasible, how are you going to get your cruise revs down to 2k?

Steve.


Steve, all due respect, but if you felt that this conversion was pointless/unfeasible would it really hurt to jot down another couple of sentences explaining why you feel that way? After all, this is the n00b thread, correct? Just some food for thought.

I'm not here pretending I know everything, in fact quite the opposite, I know stuff all really when it comes to mechanics, but I'm here to learn.

My 225hp 4 cyl Honda will quite happily sit on 2,800k @ 100k/h, so pardon me for assuming a diesel with a butt load more torque at lower revs would chug along a bit lower than that, especially considering the Honda is roughly 500kg heavier than the jimny stock for stock.

I'm still not understanding why a diesel in a jimny is undesirable though. Putting aside the time and costs associated with doing such a build, and provided the engine was sound and reliable, I honestly cannot see the issue with it. Better economy, more power, not scared of getting wet, fuel available everywhere. What's there not to like?

Another option is the 1.7lt Isuzu, however I've found very little info about going this route. Though I suspect whichever engine is used will require quite a lot of modification to make it work, with the VW conversion made slightly easier due to the availability of off the shelf adapters and a bit more info surrounding the topic.

Constructive criticism very welcome :)
Author:  shep [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
What's so bad about cruising at 4000rpm? I once owned a vechicle that used to sit on 12000rpm for 300km at a time and it didn't hurt it
Author:  onetoomany [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
shep wrote:
What's so bad about cruising at 4000rpm? I once owned a vechicle that used to sit on 12000rpm for 300km at a time and it didn't hurt it


Nothing 'wrong' with it at all, but what's wrong with wanting to cruise at 2000rpm?
Author:  droverdave [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
onetoomany wrote:

I'm still not understanding why a diesel in a jimny is undesirable though. Putting aside the time and costs associated with doing such a build, and provided the engine was sound and reliable, I honestly cannot see the issue with it. Better economy, more power, not scared of getting wet, fuel available everywhere. What's there not to like?



I thought the same untill i started looking into it a bit.

But i think the main drama with the idea, is that a modern small diesel that can be mated up to a rwd gearbox (weather than be the standard one, or one that will work in a suzuki) is a bit few and far between. (in Australia at least).

The thing is that for registration purposes, you cannot put an engine into the car that is older than the car, ie you have to use a newer engine.

1.7L isuzu engine, is that the one from the gemini from the early 80s? if so engine is older than the jimny, so you cant get it plated.

Also a non turbo diesel of 2L or less must be so damn slow...

Modern turbo diesel engines are awesome, but only if the gear box ratios suit the limited power band (genreally maximum of 4000rpm). Finding a RWD gearbox to suit might be a pain.

Modern elecronic injection diesels also have a very very VEERRRYY high pressure fuel pump, so then you need a fuel system that can cope with this rediculous pressure, that would be a bit of work and $$.

I have no doubt that a ~1.6L turbo diesel coupled to a appropriate gearbox and differential (strength and ratios) would be asolutely awesome. Unfortuantely it might be one of those things that is just too much effort and money than it is worth.

Hold the phone, i just googled it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Jimny

Turns out the jimny came turbo diesel overseas with the "k9k" engine, which is a renault engine.

you coudl try and buy a whole turbo diesel jimny, bring it into australia as a parts car, swap the whole lot to your car. Thats what i would be doing if i was hell bent on a turbo diesel jimny.
Author:  tanshi [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
whats wrong with it is how are you thinking your going to get the gearing right to cruise at 2000, there are very few gearing options for Jimnys none of which are going to raise your gearing that far.

the VW engines are hard to get here in AUS, the isuzu one is going to weigh a ton.
you will need to find an engine that is newer or the same age as the engine your pulling out for legalities.
the weight of diesel engines is generally heavier thus making the car unbalanced.
how are you going to upgrade the brakes to deal with the extra power and torque?
Author:  droverdave [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
If that wiki article is indeed correct, then there is a turbo diesel jimny from suzuki.

So they must have dealt with all of tanshi's above issues somehow. (brakes, gearing etc)

Would be intersting to find out what the oem was.
Author:  tanshi [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
i believe there was one in europe.
the whole situation is alot more complicated than buying a VW engine and adapters and bolting it in.
specially if you arent mechanically minded as the OP stated
Author:  droverdave [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Well the k9k engine appears to come to australia. (seems it's in a number of different cars, nissan dualis for one) Weather its the same k9k as the rwd one, well who knows, but it might be worth investigating.

I wonder what gearbox and transfer case they use with the k9k engine in the jimny?
Author:  onetoomany [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
I just did a quick search and found this - http://www.powertrain.renault.com/our-r ... b3-jh3-jhq

Could definitely work. Perhaps buying a front cut or a whole wreck would be the easiest way to do it, rather than buying off fleaBAY.
Author:  onetoomany [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
I wonder why they discontinued them after 9 years? Emissions standards maybe?
Author:  jimny_timmy [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Just bide you time and start saving your penny's for when the TD jimny comes to Oz... Rumours have been around for a couple of years now, they can't be far off...
Author:  shep [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
jimny_timmy wrote:
Just bide you time and start saving your penny's for when the TD jimny comes to Oz... Rumours have been around for a couple of years now, they can't be far off...


You won't be able to buy a jimny after current stocks run out :wink:

For the OP. I don't understand why you would spend a minimum of 15k not including buying the car just to get a lower cruising rpm. Have a look at the European suzuki forums as their diesel jimny isn't very good and was only built as they get significant tax breaks for diesel cars.
Author:  Chop [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Yes gearing is the issue, and as Shep says the jimny is about to end its run in aus.

I would buy a diesel NGV if it were me, piss the tiny shitbox off :lol:
Author:  Red89 [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
So you are going to spend around 10 grand to save yourself a couple bucks a week on fuel ?
Author:  Boova [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
I was recently down at Suzuki Moorooka looking at a new Jimny and the sales Rep was telling me there is a chance that there will be a Diesel Jimny next year to compete with the diesel Rav.. may not be the Jimny we know but he told me to keep my ears open.. wouldn't tell me much more
has anyone else heard anything ?, maybe we can get Diesel sooner then we think
Author:  Chop [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Problem is the the RAV4 and the Jimny aren't even in the same sales demographic, so that seems like a weird reason for a diesel jimny.
Author:  jimny_timmy [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
The only thing they need to do to it is fit stability control to it so it complies with ADR then the jimny can still be sold in Australia
Author:  Chop [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Also the GV is in competition with the RAV4 already.
Author:  shep [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
jimny_timmy wrote:
The only thing they need to do to it is fit stability control to it so it complies with ADR then the jimny can still be sold in Australia


Suzuki have stated that that isn't going to happen.
Author:  jimny_timmy [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
shep wrote:
jimny_timmy wrote:
The only thing they need to do to it is fit stability control to it so it complies with ADR then the jimny can still be sold in Australia


Suzuki have stated that that isn't going to happen.

Yeah which is a shame :(

Oh well at least we go the awesomeness while it was fresh :D
Author:  Chop [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
This was from a few months back. Can't see this being a favourable offroad vehicle.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/251027/suzu ... ion-jimny/
Author:  jimny_timmy [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Diesel Jimny
Chop wrote:
This was from a few months back. Can't see this being a favourable offroad vehicle.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/251027/suzu ... ion-jimny/

Any money says they ditch the live axle :(
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